same sex marriage-in church

Good posts niggly and Annie
mcem because your DD is gay and you are accepting of her marriage and lifestyle doesn’t automatically mean that others have to be.Seeing two brides or two bridegrooms may, as NanKate points out, make some feel uncomfortable.
It’s right, in my view, to now have legal marriage for gay people instead of civil partnerships, but the Church must make it’s own mind up on allowing Church Marriage and not be pressured into it.

I realise this is an old thread, but there may be new points others want to raise.

mcem there certaintly isn’t anything disgusting in it

We don't all follow the herd. It might be pc to have x marry x or y marry y but in my book, only x marries y.
Should I feel disengaged or odd because I don't have any gay friends or even know any married same sex couples of either persuasion...other than those seen on tv?
Should I be in with the in crowd?
I think I'll plough my own furrow thanks.
It wasn't so long ago when, had this subject been discussed, the eyes would have been rolling in horror...or has that been neatly set aside in order to appease the vociferous calls for equality?

If a couple have a religious faith and want their relationship recognised formally by their faith group then it should not matter if it is,a,same sex couple
Churches marry couples with no active faith connection to church so it seems odd not to marry those who have faith.

Gabriella if people have family or friends who are gay that is not being with the " in crowd" ..it is being part of normal society.

Paul never knew Jesus... he just promoted the things he believed in under a Jesus umbrella in his copious letters!

This may sound derogatory to gay people & I can assure you it’s not meant having a few of that gene pull in both my DH & my side of family. I am going to use an analogy. Those who oppose it, I would pose the question. If you gave birth to high functioning children with Down’s syndrome & they fell in love with people of the same sex with the same condition,would you pull the carpet from under their feet and tell them that’s wrong if they dared to fall in love with the same sex. I don’t think so & neither would I. ❤️

PECS, sorry but Christ did speak of marriage -

“God made Male and female, therefore a man shall leave his mother and fsther and cleave to his wife “

Of course this is an analogy. We are all born as the people we are born to be. Where love is concerned between two consenting adults, as long as it causes no harm to those concerned, nor anyone else, who has the right to judge. I love every single one of my family & unless they caused trouble (which at first I would endeavour to help) I would be there for them, straight & gay alike.

Words & spoken words are words Annie. We can cleave to who we choose & those concerned may FEEL like wives & then again what exactly is a wife. It’s at This I will depart ❤️

If you regard your God as a loving God then why would he
make the lives of some of his devotees miserable and lonely by denying his followers from having the experience of having a loving relationship as in mariage.
Answers on a postcard please.

I think that lionesses views were much much more vociferous than mine. I'm allowed to have my opinion just as others are allowed theirs.
I'm certainly not against love, but love for a close friend of the same sex is, IMO, a leap and a jump (in other words) a mile away from an intimate relationship and not one I can accept into my morals.
None of my AC or GC are gay or show any tendencies in that direction. If I myself announced anything of the sort, they would be totally shocked and 10-1 disown me. You are who you are and it's the way I've been brought up, my wider family, the company I have kept, colleagues I've worked with and friends I've known for decades. Is that my fault? Should I try to befriend a couple so I can proudly say I have friends who are gay? It's not a badge to be worn by association and anyone who isn't in the club should not be called out for having a different opinion.
Would anyone call the Pope out on the subject?

Would you discourage it if a gay person wanted to befriend you, Gabriella?
Or is it just that you've never happened to come into contact with a gay person?

No, I wouldn't discouraged it at all MissAdventure.
I've met just two that I found out were gay when I booked into an hotel in Southport many years ago.
There was a very large oil painting in the hallway, it was their wedding photo on canvas.
I found them to be delightful. The attention to detail in the property was noticeable but they weren't 'Graham Norton' style camp and they were good cooks.
That's the only time I met anyone who...actually, no.
When I was a student nurse around the age of 18, friends and I used to go into a pub known locally as The Big House but in reality, it was called The Vines. A couple of doors down was a bar called The American Bar.
The manager/barman in the Big House was called Sadie but dressed in guys clothes and had 'dirty' blonde hair to his shoulders. He often gad a bruise low down on his back which was noticeable when he bent to put the bottles in the crates. I was innocent of what friends said as to how he got the marks but was told that on his breaks he changed into a cocktail type dress and make-up to drink at the American Bar where lots of sailors went.
So...they remain my only real-life gay contacts.

*discouraged

'Sadie' might have only been a cross-dresser or whatever. I don't know. Yes...been thinking of all the people I've actually and none were gay. I was taken to a bar in Tewksbury by a guy once and he smartly turned around and pushed me out when he saw the clientele was gays and butch women playing pool.

10 % of people are gay. I would be very surprised if your GC were anti gay relationships GG. Most young people do not have any prejudice nowadays and are far more accepting than older people. How can love between two people be wrong? Heterosexual couples have anal sex( never seen appeal myself!) so what exactly do people see that is wrong with gay relationships? I expect there are a lot more gay people in your acquaintance than you realise GG and maybe over the next 10 years this will be more obvious. Most families have a gay person somewhere. Loving relationships in all there forms deserve celebration and recognition. I am a committed Christian

Anthropologists tell us (but do we really need telling?) that since humans began there have been gay, lesbian, trans and diverse gender people.
It is not a modern trend but simply one we have ignored at best and castigated at worst.

If we'd always accepted that people are born with diverse sexual (or asexual) orientations, we wouldn't be even discussing this now.

I remember, in my youth, how illegitimacy was vilified, the poor baby, child and adult being victimised with not one whit of justification.
Now we accept it - just as we should accept this situation.

GabriellaG54 You do know that it all gay women are butch don’t you, in fact a large proportion are not. Equally not all gay men are camp/good cooks/well dressed.
If you have had any contact with healthcare/ emergency services/finance you have almost certainly had contact with gays of both sexes and that’s only three professions that I have personal knowledge of. You would probably not know if someone was gay unless they told you.
Equally not all gay men or women have penetrative sex, so many misconceptions abound.

Let's just take it as read that I know my family. They may know people of persuasions other than heterosexual but none of them are minded to go that route and would be really shocked if I announced anything of the kind (no chance)
Why push it on others? Why does it have to be acceptable to accept it? I don't care what other people do but I reserve the right to think that sex with a person of the same sex is wrong. I also think that anal sex is wrong no matter who you are.
I'm not going to comment further as I'll never change my morals or my view.
It reminds me of sheep. One goes in a certain direction and the rest follow. Not me, only if I feel it's the right thing for me and my conscience.

lemon I take your point but by being open about my family I am not forcing others to conform to my point of view - couldn't if I wanted to!
However I think most reasonable people don't see a family accepting a loving gay relationship as jumping on a bandwagon or being sheep.
I do not include you in that critical group.
However I do find that the utterly intolerant and homophobic comments from just one or two posters are unacceptable and should be challenged!

It’s not about being a sheep, it’s about not being ignorant, treating other people as you would like to be treated and being tolerant and a decent human being.
One is not minded to go that route, one is born with it. Many people have faked being heterosexual due to attitudes such as yours, often ending in breakdowns and suicide which is one of the reasons it is wrong.

You want me to change to your way of thinking? How about you changing to mine...or does it only work one way?
I object to your first sentence in which you insinuate that I'm ignorant, intolerant, don't treat people in the way I like to be treated and I'm not a decent human being.
I think you should be very careful what you infer. You don't know me.
I don't have to justify my views and you have no right to make unsubstantiated comments which are slurs on my character.
I'm off this thread.

I'm with Gabriella here so I'll refrain from posting on this thread.