Gransnet forums

Religion/spirituality

It is evil

(35 Posts)
Alexa Sat 21-Dec-19 23:02:00

It is evil of Boris Johnson to reduce protections for refugee children.

varian Sun 22-Dec-19 12:59:59

Helping refugee children is in our DNA

"Welcoming outsiders is not an extra, or simply a charitable idea, it is in our political DNA." That was the message Bishop Andrew gave to Wiltshire councillors debating a motion committing the Council to provide homes for unaccompanied refugee children.

Bishop Andrew joined with Bishop Nicholas and other leaders of faith traditions across the county of Wiltshire to support the 'Safe Passage' campaign that encourages each local authority in the country to welcome ten refugee children a year for ten years.

If successful about 10,000 children would be provided with a safe route from war-torn Syria to secure homes in the United Kingdom. The campaign is inspired by Lord Dubs who was one of 10,000 children saved by the Kindertransport trains from Germany eighty years ago.

After the debate and hearing the speakers, councillors voted unanimously to adopt the 'Lord Dubs' scheme.

www.salisbury.anglican.org/news/helping-refugee-children-is-in-our-dna

Getting this commitment (earlier this year) from the Conservative controlled Wiltshire Council was a great achievement for the campaigning group Wiltshire for Refugees, the Liberal Democrat Councillor who proposed the motion and the Bishop who spoke so passionately in the public meeting.

It is utterly shameful that within days of gaining power the government is reneging on humanitarian commitment of Theresa May's government and so many local authorities.

Alexa Sun 22-Dec-19 13:14:08

That's a really cheerful Xmas message as far as I am
concerned, Varian. I love to think faith traditions still have powers for good. May I add, we need to identify the devil when ever it appears?

Baggs Sun 22-Dec-19 13:49:33

Could you supply a link, please, alexa, or tell me at least where you got your info from? You might even persuade me to accept the view expressed in the OP if you provided evidence for your claim. The Times article did not seem to support it but you must have made the judgment about BJ based on something fairly solid.
Thank you in anticipation.

varian Sun 22-Dec-19 13:59:33

Brexit: Boris Johnson’s bill ‘tears up’ protections for child refugees

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-withdrawal-bill-brexit-child-refugees-dubs-amendment-a9253841.html

Baggs Sun 22-Dec-19 14:03:23

PS With regard to this claim, in this world there is no unmixed evil or good, Mr Baggs informs me that this is defined as "the fallacy of the excluded middle". Nice to know its official name.

Baggs Sun 22-Dec-19 14:05:32

Thanks, varian, I'll look at that, but as I understand things so far, the refugee clause in the withdrawal agreement was only put in there to obstruct Brexit. That is what the Times commenter meant by "stripping the bill back to its core purpose".

We can still allow refugee children in and I believe we will.

Alexa Sun 22-Dec-19 14:10:59

Baggs, mixed good and evil is precisely the middle road between absolute good and absolute evil.

It is the duty of well meaning people to try to judge as well as possible which of two courses of action is the best, or the least bad.

We cannot tell exactly what effect any well meaning act will have. However the best possible care of children is a constant ethic that all good people subscribe to.

Baggs Sun 22-Dec-19 14:38:09

Just so, alexa. I doubt you will find anyone who disagrees with that.

Meanwhile I've been having terrible trouble trying to read the article in the Independent. It doesn't seem to load properly. So I had a look here: www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/withdrawal-agreement-bill.
All I could find with respect to unacompanied child refugees were these two sentences:

The bill requires the government to put before Parliament a ‘statement of policy’ relating to future arrangements around unaccompanied children making asylum applications.

This is a new addition to the bill and amends the EU Withdrawal Act 2018 which previously required the government to seek to negotiate an agreement with the EU on unaccompanied children seeking asylum.

All it would seem to be saying is that the UK's policy on child refugees no longer needs to be negotiated with the EU. If we keep our eyes peeled for any "statements of policy" mentioned above, we will get a better idea of whether the policy of the UK government is "evil". Evidence currently does not seem to support that view, only that campaigners are assuming the worst.

trisher Sun 22-Dec-19 14:42:51

Not according to what has happened so far Baggs. www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/long-reads/alan-kurdi-anniversary-dubs-amendment-calais-refugees-a9083931.html
I see no reason why this should improve now. Things will only get worse.
In the 1930s a few good people worked to bring children whose families were in danger out of Germany.The government put huge restrictions on the process, The children came and were saved because because of good decent people.
I don't know if this policy is evil. It is inhumane and it is immoral.