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People before animals

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FlicketyB Sat 08-Feb-14 17:02:06

Over the last few weeks it has become very clear that the Environment Agency has had a succession of heads who have put the protection of animals/insects/birds and 'biodiversity' far too far ahead of the protection of our, predominantly man made landscape, those who get their living from it and those who get their food from it.

There have been many cases from the failure to properly maintain the rivers and ditches that protect the Somerset Levels to the rejection of the Severn Barrage, that could have provided 5% of our renewable, carbon free electricity, 24/7/365 and not just when the wind blows, where the welfare of wildlife and plants have been protected at the cost of the welfare of those who live and work in the area and in the country as a whole.

I am fast coming to the conclusion that in Britain the human/wildlife pendulum has swung too far in the favour of wildlife and an adjustment back towards the needs of the humans who live here.

A good start would be to curtail the powers of unelected bodies that make decisions that result in farmland being degraded or being taken out of agriculture as a result of their policies

thatbags Sun 09-Feb-14 11:49:02

Yes. And while we have been getting the storms further south than usual, the USA has been getting a lot more snow and cold than usual because of the same shift in the circumpolar vortex. I love how weather is so (mathematically) chaotic and unpredictable because it illustrates how complex a thing our planet (any planet) is.

thatbags Sun 09-Feb-14 11:49:28

My comment follows anno's.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:49:42

Exactly Posie and how many species of insects etc does one tree support? About 280 which provide food for birds!

thatbags Sun 09-Feb-14 11:50:59

It varies depending on the species of tree. Oak is best, I believe, closely followed by things like birch.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:52:13

Note to self 'remember circumpolar vortex to slip into conversations'. Thanks Bags

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:52:46

Oh I thought I'd written 'oak tree' sorry!

thatbags Sun 09-Feb-14 11:53:25

grin and smile at your last two comments, aka.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:54:36

I believe willow is very good too and that loves wet conditions.

Flowerofthewest Sun 09-Feb-14 11:55:56

Moles too Jings sad

thatbags Sun 09-Feb-14 11:58:26

If what grows well here, as in "loving wet conditions, is anything to go by, these species would do well: pedunculate oak, goat willow, ash, silver birch, sycamore, rowan, holly, bird cherry. Plus others but those dominate and seed like crazy, as do a number of shrubs like hazel.

As do brambles hmm, and bracken, and rushes....

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 11:58:34

Yes, moles sad

Flowerofthewest Sun 09-Feb-14 12:00:04

Not for supporting insects of course, but being flooded out.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 12:04:55

Let them create more wildlife ponds upstream, so that excess water is captured there and the rate of emptying into flood plains is slowed down. Plant more trees (see Bags list) strategically, dredge the ditches and rivers and (see Elegran's post somewhere) bring back the beavers.

Problem, if not solved, at least alleviated, and we're not bring paid megabucks, and given peerages, to sit on some committee.

margaretm74 Sun 09-Feb-14 12:41:55

More trees = more co2 absorbed and could start slowly to reverse the problem?? Or not (I am not a scientist). Surely they are not known as the lungs of the earth for no reason. We lose them at our peril

granjura Sun 09-Feb-14 12:43:02

Here is a really interesting article that shows how complex the issues are ...

Really food for thought.

Drowning in Money

http://www.monbiot.com/2014/01/13/drowning-in-money/

granjura Sun 09-Feb-14 12:44:15

Apologies, I stand corrected Anno- of course the Jet Stream, thanks.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 14:00:54

You didn't blue it Granjura but I think this is the same theme
drowning in money

What a b****y c**k up angry

posie Sun 09-Feb-14 15:23:22

confused Just read the link.You just assume these so called experts know what they're doing. Turns out they don't!

durhamjen Sun 09-Feb-14 16:06:28

JessM, sorry, it was Swansea, not Cardiff. It was in the Guardian Environment section two days ago, and it's not a modest one any more. 10% of renewable energy, they are saying.

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 16:26:24

My bottom garden is definitely soggy. I have a 12foot high bonsai oak, but that obviously isn't thirsty enough.

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 16:38:56

Shouldn't that be 12" if it's bonsai?

Aka Sun 09-Feb-14 16:43:22

Thinking on (as one does) do (deciduous) trees use much water in the winter months? I'd have thought transpiration is much less when the leaves are gone?

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 17:19:17

No! It's twelve foot!
Dd grew it from an acorn and was dwarfing it! It got put in the garden one summer and got forgotten. It grew!
That was about 36 years ago!
We still call it the bonsai oak

Ana Sun 09-Feb-14 17:55:56

It's done well not to have grown any higher! We had one which grew from an acorn in the garden, and had to have it cut down last year as it was becoming a problem where it was. It had grown to 15 ft in 12 years!

Galen Sun 09-Feb-14 17:57:39

It's been pruned!