Repeal of fox hunting

I in no way support hunting - Oscar Wilde was right when he said it was the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible (although I think he said uneatable!). However, I don't like the idea of the SNP stopping a vote especially when the Scottish laws on hunting are worse than those in England and Wales This was the SNP flexing their muscles but I think it will rebound on them as the government will use it as an example of the SNP interfering in something that only affects England and Wales.

They've played their hand too soon. An issue which hasn't concerned them in Scotland becomes an opportunity to flex their muscles and they couldn't resist.

Nicola Sturgeon crowing about the vote being pulled doesn't mean Cameron has been outfoxed....quite the opposite I think.

But is Cameron not flexing his muscles by banning elected MP's from voting in the UK parliment? Why should England be treated differently to Wales, Scotland and N Ireland ? If these three countries had to go through the procedure of holding a referendum , setting up a parliment/Assembly, voting for their representatives why not England ? Sorry but there is arrogance is this action , we are England so we do as we wish

Is the government running scared? Or am I missing something?

Yes I am as DC intends to delay it until after evel. Hoping I suppose to sideline some Westminster mps and then get the fox hunting through. Not sure whether he can legally do that with regard the constitution.

Foxy's on the ball again, and entertaining with it.

Great - and accurate too. Bristol uni research has proven that again and again, for many many years.

I thought the reason the SNP are voting against the changes was because they wish to change their hunting bill to fit in with the English one.
In which case they are doing the right thing.

So if at least 80% of the population disagree with fox hunting and academic research shows that hunting does absolutely nothing to reduce fox population the vote cannot go any other way? How anti-democratic do the Tories wish to appear?

Yes dj that is what i understood

Cameron will be more concerned with the views of the countryside alliance than the views of the general public, he can't be voted out so can do as he wishes

The YouGov poll I've seen gave the figure as being between 50 and 60% in support of keeping the current Act' I couldn't find any reliable evidence of it being as high as 80%. And of course the Countryside Alliance has been opposed to it from the start.

I'm against fox (or anything else) hunting BTW, in case anyone assumes otherwise!

DJ hunting with dogs is a devolved issue dealt with by the Holyrood parliament. Regardless of my or your views on fox-hunting, the SNP should not have any say in what happens in England any more than Westminster can overrule the Scottish Parliament on devolved issues.

Then why not an English parliament or English assembly with representatives voted in by English voters, just as the three other countries did

So why is Cameron saying that the government want to have the foxhunting laws the same on both sides of the border?

"Since the election, David Cameron’s government has shown very little respect to the mandate that Scottish MPs have. On the Scotland bill, reasonable amendments backed by the overwhelming majority of Scottish MPs have been voted down. The English votes for English laws proposals brought forward go beyond any reasonable proposition and look to make Scottish MPs effectively second-class citizens in the House of Commons.

“So, I think if there’s an opportunity – as there appears to be here – and on an issue where David Cameron appears to be out of touch with majority English opinion as well, to actually remind the government how slender their majority is.”

This is why the SNP was going to vote against the changes to the foxhunting bill.

Of course the countryside alliance supports the relaxation. I must look for the 80% I know I read it just recently.

I am so pleased that the SNP won the day and so no doubt is the foxy world.

Perhaps we should approach NS and ask her to consider running for the Labour leadership

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Yes, I looked at that but it didn't come up as a proper poll result.

Oh OK

Just some sort of draft.

NS stated that she received a large correspondence on this and that much of it was from English voters asking the SNP to vote against the relaxation of the law.

DC has said he wanted to bring the English law "in line with Scotland". Since when has he been interested in doing that?

The Scottish government plans to look at strengthening their law, in line with England. If they do that England would have to swap back again, to be " in line".

Yes, let's hope they do more than just 'look at' strengthening their law, and pretty soon, to put a stop to all the 'muscle-flexing' accusations.

Wasn't just the SNP against it.

www.conservativesagainstfoxhunting.com/2015/07/the-minister-for-sport-the-president-of-conservative-animal-welfare-and-the-co-chairman-of-the-all-party-group-for-animal-welfare-urge-colleagues-to-protect-the-hunting-ban-from-amendment/

I have just read this.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-thanks-fox-hunters-5730704