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jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 10:34:32

"Christmas - dreading the enforced jollity?"

Where in the thread does it say anything about the jollity being "enforced"?

Is that your own view?

Anne58 Mon 12-Nov-12 10:43:06

Mr P & I have a very quiet Christmas, but I do think that there is a lot of pressure (mainly on women) that everything has to be "perfect", and everyone should be happy and smiling, just like ALL the advertisements.

Personally, I would like to ban the word "perfect" at this time of year! It's all "how to cook the perfect lunch" " how to find the perfect presents" etc etc.

I once saw a grown woman crying in Marks and Spencers on Christmas eve because they had sold out of sprouts!

Ana Mon 12-Nov-12 10:46:39

I think 'forced' might have been a better choice of words....!

Ana Mon 12-Nov-12 10:47:09

Should be 'word' singular!

GeraldineGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 12-Nov-12 10:49:31

Nope, J05, it's not. Puts on woman of mystery face

The purpose of those 'From our forums' mentions is to give a flavour of what's going on on the forums. The OP and several of the contributors to that thread are saying they find Christmas oppressive and difficult.

It's impossible, Gransnet being the gloriously anarchic thing it is, to sum up everything that's being said on a thread - all we can do is present one point of view and invite responses. 'Enforced' was our word - don't think it's unreasonable under the circumstances - but you are very welcome, of course, to go on the thread and argue that all Christmas jollity is spontaneous and wonderful.

We will have plenty of positive stuff about Christmas in the coming weeks - doesn't seem unreasonable to give a voice to those who find it hard as well.

Bags Mon 12-Nov-12 11:35:14

Go, geraldine! grin

Notsogrand Mon 12-Nov-12 11:40:14

grin

soop Mon 12-Nov-12 11:52:10

grin

glammanana Mon 12-Nov-12 11:57:24

I just go with the flow and if things are not right for you well you can always go somewhere else next year.grin mine would never dare say I was anything less than perfect thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it (stamp feet emotion) lol.

Butty Mon 12-Nov-12 13:15:49

With you there, Geraldine. smile

Ana Mon 12-Nov-12 13:17:14

Still think it should have been 'forced'....wink

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 14:05:06

Quote phoenix: "I once saw a grown woman crying in Marks and Spencers on Christmas eve because they had sold out of sprouts!" shock grin

There must have been more to it than that!

Re. thread in question. I didn't see much jollity being forced, or enforced, on that thread. Perhaps if there was a bit they might all feel a bit flippin' happier! hmm

Ana Mon 12-Nov-12 14:09:26

There wasn't any on that thread. That's the point....hmm

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 14:13:14

That's what I just said. confused

Bags Mon 12-Nov-12 14:14:33

I think there is a feeling on that thread that christmas has to be special (even "a little bit magical"). I think that's the problem. If you look at the mid-winter festival as simply the time on the calendar when it becomes obvious that the shortest day is past, it saves a lot of bother. At least, I find it does. Yes, we celebrate the 'turn of the year', but we recognise that that's all it is.

Ana Mon 12-Nov-12 14:15:54

That's the point of the thread, though. Jollity, forced or enforced, is what people on that thread don't want!!

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 14:16:23

I meant no one was dreading any enforced jollity because they were all sure there wasn't going to be any.

Nothing wrong with the thread itself. If anyone wants to moan, not my business.

But the line in the 'from our forums' was not relevant to the content of the thread.

smile

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 14:17:39

Quite sure you're right Bags.

Must go. Got a paper chain to make.

GeraldineGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 12-Nov-12 14:55:22

Ana I have been thinking about forced/enforced all morning (well, once or twice, when not engaged in the many top-level things we are occupied with here at GNHQ).

Agree forced may have been better but wish to make a case for enforced all the same...the feeling I got from the thread was that some people found the requirement to be having a good time - and seen to be having it - as much of a problem as simply not having one. A sense that they are spoiling the party if they don't pretend. So in that sense I think it is enforced jollity.
Ducks as rest of team throw cake and tell me to shut up and go back to my nook in pedants' corner

Bags Mon 12-Nov-12 15:35:14

Glut of cakes at HQ, then? Or do you always get the stale leftovers that they throw at you?

kittylester Mon 12-Nov-12 15:39:07

Crying because of a lack of sprouts - that's a contradiction in terms. We always have sprouts because we always have sprouts confused although no-one likes them! You do need them for bubble and squeak though - it's the law. grin

Bags Mon 12-Nov-12 15:40:19

Um... I think I should have written "glut of cake" [pedant's blush]

Bags Mon 12-Nov-12 15:42:40

I did a fry up the other day based on a tin of tuna and some sprouts. Also added cashew nuts, tomatoes, chopped green pepper and, when it was ready, some quartered hard-boiled eggs. It was good.

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:45:07

retch

jO5 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:45:25

Sorree! blush