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Arguments attract aggressors.

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Elegran Sun 03-May-15 10:59:07

I wonder if anyone else has the impression that a good ding-dong on a thread seems very often to attract swarms of spammers and inspires trouble-makers to start up new threads on controversial and divisive subjects and keep stoking them?

Most of the time the forum goes along as usual, lots of conversations and exchanges, mostly goodnatured chat or reasoned debate with the occasional raised voice. Sometimes a more heated debate gets going, where more people join in. After that, there is a rash of angry threads which seem to come from nowhere, started by people I have never heard of before, and lots of posts wanting us to go to someone's website and presumably spend money there.

I assume they see the arguments on a search engine, and think "Is this a private fight or can anyone join in?" so they join set GN and set up their boxing ring (or their market stall on the edge of the bare-knuckle bout)

I don't include here the anger in some threads from established posters - they are not the opportunist hitchhikers I am talking about.

Mishap Sun 03-May-15 11:04:49

Let's just ignore them.

Elegran Sun 03-May-15 11:24:29

They are recognisable as trouble-makers, ignoring them is easy. If they seem to be "real people" with a problem, they get replies, which get replies, which . . . .ad infinitum.

Elegran Sun 03-May-15 11:25:00

Should have been an "if" at the start of that post.

Anya Sun 03-May-15 11:28:09

Don't agree at all. Most of the real nastiness comes from a small band of long term posters who think they own the site.

The reason I rarely post is because of them. In fact I'm wondering exactly what the OP hoped to gain herself by starting this thread hmm

And I'm fully expecting their full fury in response to this post, so I'll sit back and wait....

Elegran Sun 03-May-15 11:30:34


durhamjen Sun 03-May-15 11:35:56

An interesting discussion?

Mishap Sun 03-May-15 11:48:36

In real life I avoid people who are rude or aggressive. It is no different on here. We can choose who to respond to.

granjura Sun 03-May-15 11:58:13

Not always easy when directly (and frequently) 'attacked' by the same poster/s though. Hence my recent silence.

I am active on another Forum and there is the option of 'ignoring' poster/s who do this- I think it would be a very good addition here.

However, re seemingly 'new' posters- we are all aware that there are many posters here who make a habit of changing their names after they get in hot water for 1 reason or another (which is clearly against Forum rules)- how do they get away with it, again and again. I am who I am and would never dream of changing my identity, although at times it is tempting. Language and syntax style, etc, soon give people away anyhow.

TerriBull Sun 03-May-15 12:01:25

Anyone who holds strong opinions or views on a particular subject may want to contribute to a forum on that subject and of course it's likely that there will be opinions offered that may be the polar opposite. I think some are able to argue very well without getting personal, and some aren't. C'est la vie!

loopylou Sun 03-May-15 12:05:21

I agree.
It's the personal attacks which IMO are inexcusable, and some do seem to take delight in such behaviour sad

As a relatively new GN I find such behaviour upsetting and avoid it, just as I would in real life.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 03-May-15 12:14:31

I've never seen that at all! (Original post)

In fact I find it a very odd suggestion. Totally confused

I never actually see much nastiness on here. Just strong views and a little bit of verbal ding dong. All a fuss over nothing. hmm

And here we go with another thread..... grin

PRINTMISS Sun 03-May-15 12:40:41

I find I quite often disagree with a post, but refrain from making a comment because I think it is often possible to offend with the written word, and it is sometimes easier just to ignore something than make an issue of it. I do get quite cross with people who seem to 'nit-pick' about things which seem to me to be unimportant, but then we all have a right to an opinion, which in turn needs to be respected, I think.

Elegran Sun 03-May-15 13:24:11

Returning toAnya's "What gain?" (I've been away from the computer) when I did the OP, it was just an observation. After thinking about it, I suspect any "gain" would be in anyone reading the start of a combative new thread by an unknown name not rushing in too fast with a comment.

Yes, most disagreements are between established posters, some of whom have old scores still in mind, but I was thinking here of the unfamiliar names, which may well be old disgruntled names rehashed, as granjura suggests.

jings your fondness for a spot of argument is legendary, I would not expect you to agree.

whitewave Sun 03-May-15 13:55:27

Honestly if someone says something that upsets me (rarely) I simply ignore it - quite easy as none of you are real. grin
I am one of the ones who love a good debate though I will put my hands up to that. I love a good mental workout.
Going to philosophy and economics classes from next week - looking forward to that.

Eloethan Sun 03-May-15 14:21:43

I think Elegran was just trying to suggest that it is perhaps not worth responding to the few threads that seem to be deliberately designed to raise hackles and cause an argument, as opposed to encouraging a debate. Good advice - but sometimes hard to follow!

ninathenana Sun 03-May-15 14:44:23

If a post annoys me I refrain from replying, so as not to upset anyone or fuel the fire. I just have a mini rant to DH about it instead smile
I do however, keep an eye on the thread as battles can sometimes be amusing interesting.

durhamjen Sun 03-May-15 15:55:06

So what would it do to your blood-pressure if you did not have a DH to rant to, nina?

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 03-May-15 16:45:41

"jings your fondness for a spot of argument is legendary"

I find that a insulting. You seem to suggest I am nothing but a quarrelsome old biddy.

And I think your original post smacks of paranoia.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 03-May-15 16:46:20

Tell us what you do jendurham.

ninathenana Sun 03-May-15 17:34:19

There's always the cat Durhamjen grin

Ana Sun 03-May-15 17:35:37

durhamjen doesn't need anyone to rant to - she comes on here and posts a few links! smile

janeainsworth Sun 03-May-15 17:36:58

A quarrelsome old biddy jingl? You? Come on!!
Surely you know by now that 'old biddy' is not an acceptable phrase on GN, being both ageist and sexistgrin

Peace and Love, everyone sunshine

Ariadne Sun 03-May-15 17:45:01

I suppose, if you are widowed, like durhamjen and many others, or on your own for other reasons, and don't have a cat, or would just like to hear other points of view, then maybe expressing your thoughts here and inviting debate opens up a wide field which you might not otherwise experience?

New members, as well as the longer established ones, contribute to the acrimony which has recently become apparent.

I do find myself a little bothered by Ana's comment about long term posters, of whom I am one.....oh dear.

Ana Sun 03-May-15 17:53:10

NOT ME!!! hmm

I am innocent!