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Deleted PMs - This is important

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MawBroon Mon 18-Feb-19 20:59:54

I was concerned to find that some of my private messages around 20 December last year have disappeared, apparently “deleted at user request”.
Well I certainly did not delete them so the question is “which user” ?
How can anybody interfere with private messages- I thought the clue was in the name.
Izabella Annodomini and Lemongrove might like to check theirs too.
Coincidentally they were generally on the same topic.
Is Big Brother not only watching us but censoring our mail?
I take a dim view of this breach of confidentiality if that is indeed the case .

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Feb-19 11:56:33

PRIOR to one poster on here who has stated she cleared her Messages out of concern the site had been hacked.

Yes, I did that too and there were dozens of messages showing that message BEFORE I cleared my messages (and the more recent ones by mistake!).

The messages were from more than one poster, not linked at all and one poster alerted me to this about 3 weeks ago; neither of us had any idea how it had happened.

POGS Wed 20-Feb-19 12:05:24

GNHQ

I appreciate you are trying to provide answers but may I return to a point in question.

GNHQ posted:-

' We've just heard from our tech team that you will get a "deleted at user's request" message even if the other person deletes your message. Those who guessed that it was caused by people clearing their inboxes are correct!

I hope that makes sense. Please let us know if you need further clarification.
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I responded by asking a question :-

POGS Tue 19-Feb-19 16:38:00
Rachelle

Unless I am misjudging what you are saying you report as though this has ALWAYS been something that has occurred.

Until now I and I don't think other posters have been used to seeing / ever noticed eg :-

' This message has been removed at user request'

So has this wording ALWAYS been used when pm's are deleted by either party as I think you are suggesting is the cause.?

Thank you
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Today I repeat the question, has it ALWAYS been the case if either party deleted a pm the term. :-

' This message has been removed at user request

was displayed because I am of the opinion until I received a pm this week both the gn user and myself had never noticed it before.

Can you find a moment to answer the point please.

Thank you.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Feb-19 12:09:47

The poster who alerted it to me a couple of weeks ago had not deleted my post to her, nor had I deleted it.

If I had sent it to more than one person and a third party deleted it, then that should not happen under any circumstances.

breeze Wed 20-Feb-19 12:17:56

If any of you are on LinkedIn you will see that it accesses your details and matches you with people who know the people you know.

The reason I asked the question before last (before it was mentioned is was 'only' people who had cleared their boxes, which now seems not to be true) is, these links can happen accidentally in software and so if you, for example, deleted a thread or had a post deleted, it could have read the name and although not deleted all posts on the thread, may have a link to your name on a PM and got rid of that person on there through a dubious link.

Or some corruption/hacking going on. Hopefully tech/security are on to it but they'll need to run tests so may take a little while.

Many years ago there was an awful breach when 'someone' had accessed individuals contact lists and forwarded their private emails to everyone on their contact list. I received a personal email that someone on my contact list had sent to a client (medical). I was horrified and notified her immediately. I decided I wouldn't put anything ultra personal on emails from that point on. If I discuss someone (not on here) in an email I try to be vague in case it falls into the wrong hands. Not a bad idea also if you have fat fingers and have sent a 'reply all' by mistake!

And of course, none of you would discuss another member behind their backs on here would you smile

Technology eh.

Fennel Wed 20-Feb-19 13:42:52

From Elegran:
"Fennel Are you sure that Jalima's messages of 5th and 6th Nov were deleted then, ? Maybe they were sent then and deleted yesterday when she was clearing things?"
No I'm not sure Elegran - I only looked this morning, I don't use pms much.

RachellaGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 20-Feb-19 16:19:25

POGS I had to check with our tech team to make sure that I was answering your query correctly, so thank you for your patience.

The message you are receiving: "This message has been removed at user request" is fairly recent since GDPR has been in effect.

POGS Wed 20-Feb-19 19:13:38

Rachell

Thank you for your honesty.

Off to test it now.

POGS Wed 20-Feb-19 19:27:37

Rachel

I literally have just ' binned' 2 pm's and there was no term displayed saying :-

' This message has been removed at user request'

THE USUAL happened and the 2 pm's simple vanished from my list!

Sorry but nothing is stacking up and I cannot agree with GNHQ tec department.

It is noticeable to me certain gn users are showing :-

' This message has been removed at user request'

BlueBelle Wed 20-Feb-19 19:27:44

Sorry what’s GDPR ?

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Feb-19 19:31:49

It's the new General Data Protection Regulation Bluebelle

eugdpr.org/

BlueBelle Wed 20-Feb-19 19:46:39

Oh thanks yes I know now

I still have no understanding howit happened to me in the middle of a conversation with neither of us doing anything

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Feb-19 19:50:47

it's all very odd.

Synonymous Wed 20-Feb-19 19:57:46

How very interesting this all is!
I somewhat naively thought that PM meant Private Message. Clearly they are not.
I had all of my messages deleted from my inbox ages ago supposedly at the request of the senders. I was very hurt and felt I had been made invisible and of no account, affecting me quite badly for a while. If it is an official way of making space on the system it is a horrible way to do it.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Feb-19 20:00:17

I somewhat naively thought that PM meant Private Message. Clearly they are not.
Just about sums it up Synonymous!

Bellanonna Wed 20-Feb-19 20:16:48

I’ve only just discovered this thread and have taken a look at my inbox and sent messages. I see that several messages to and from one of the posters mentioned by Chewbacca on the first page have been “removed at user request”. There were two exchanges, in November and way back in March. These would certainly would not have been contentious.
I will PM the user now and see what happens. So does PM actually stand for “private message”? Something of a misnomer I feel.

The thread was already very long when I came across it so I have only read the first couple of pages.

I await HQ’s comments with interest.

Elegran Wed 20-Feb-19 20:42:46

If it is a system procedure, not a conscious act by a moderator, the messages will still be private, in the sense that they have not been read by anyone other than sender and receiver.

RachellaGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 21-Feb-19 11:07:17

Just a quick reassurance that this is a tech issue. No one is deleting anyone's PM except the sender or receiver. You can rest assured that your messages are, indeed, PMs (private messages).

GabriellaG54 Thu 21-Feb-19 13:26:46

Just looked at my PMs and 3 in Dec to Melanieeastanglia , 2 on different dates in Nov to someone else and 1 to lemongrove all deleted at users request.
Odd, that there are some messages untouched between those deleted ones.

GabriellaG54 Thu 21-Feb-19 13:27:27

I've never requested any deletions.

lemongrove Thu 21-Feb-19 13:40:52

I deleted all older messages GG to tidy up my inbox, resulting on you getting the deleted by user message, that’s all it is.
When you delete old messages, you don’t get that message yourself, but the person you sent it to does.

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Feb-19 13:44:55

But it still doesn't explain why it should be deleted in someone's inbox.

POGS Thu 21-Feb-19 14:04:31

Jalima

I just tried to pm you and I was sorry to see you ' cannot receive messages'.

I hope you have a rethink.

Elegran Thu 21-Feb-19 14:04:34

I think Melanieeastanglia must have deleted all her messages, because I have one from her that is deleted in my inbox.

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Feb-19 14:07:36

POGS Thanks for that - what is going on? I am happy to receive messages!

Rachella ??

BlueBelle Thu 21-Feb-19 14:11:02

But RachelleGransNet your comment is totally incorrect
‘no one is deleting anyones Pms except the sender or receiver’
How then do account for Pm s being deleted when neither person has requested it
Please come back and explain this It’s very important