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New consent form - UPDATE: Link to FAQs here

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LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Fri 14-Aug-20 15:55:12

Hi all,

As of this afternoon many of you will have noticed a new consent form pop up. Apologies for the late notice - we'd hoped to get a post up earlier to give you advance warning but our resources were focused on getting it up and running as quickly and efficiently as possible.

As a responsible publisher we follow the recommendations of the Internet Advertising Bureau (IAB UK) - here's a bit more information about them.

The IAB asks that we allow users to say if you consent to your data being used or not. We've been doing this for quite a while now and this is the pop-up you would have previously seen when you came to Gransnet.

What's happened is that as of tomorrow the IAB is brining in a new standard that publishers have to comply with. The new standard gives the user even more choice over the data that can be collected and used - which is why you are now seeing a new pop-up with far more privacy options.
Whilst it may look a bit OTT it's actually been designed by the IAB to make it better for users and give you more control.

So please don't be worried about this new pop-up - it will in fact give you more information and choice over your privacy.

Hope this helps smile
GNHQ

UPDATE: FAQs page here

B9exchange Mon 17-Aug-20 23:53:45

From your FAQ

^Why, when I toggle each button to grey and then submit my choices, are they completely ignored? Each time I look at my privacy settings my choices have disappeared.

The software that displays the pop-up is provided by Google, this isn’t something that we can change. We can see that your choices are being recorded after you have clicked save, however it looks like when you go back into the form the choices are being reset to the default options. We have reported this to Google.^

This seems such a basic error, I am not reassured by the fact that you have emailed Google, I hope you are not just going to leave it at that. I haven't met this problem on any other site.

B9exchange Mon 17-Aug-20 23:54:46

Perhaps you could remove the form and revert to the old one until you have got it sorted?

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 07:50:48

Perhaps you could tell Google that your members are threatening to leave the site if they are not given a form which they can rely on to stay as they saved it, so unless they fix it YOU will be leaving their advertising scheme, as it will reduce your attractiveness to users and your traffic flow.

Since Gransnet is a VERY popular site, losing a large section of your traffic would have a very big effect on the results of Google's ad placement anyway, even when they are using this underhand back-door method of getting them under our noses. They would do better to keep our goodwill.

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 08:12:21

Rufus has posted a link on the thread "Google, be very aware" to a very interesting article which contains instructions on how to delete private data harvested by Google Thank you, Rufus
www.cnet.com/how-to/google-collects-a-frightening-amount-of-data-about-you-you-can-find-and-delete-it-now/

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 08:40:35

Legitimate Interests definition - I found this. Below I quote from a talk given at a GDPR summit in London. Sorry it is rather long, but it is very readable and sets out the position. The whole article is at gdpr.report/news/2018/04/30/consent-versus-legitimate-interests/

"Under GDPR there are six lawful bases for processing personal data. But for marketing purposes, the two most popular are consent and legitimate interests.

For consent, the individual must have given clear consent.

For legitimate interests, processing must be necessary for your legitimate interest or your customers.

Consent must be:

freely given
specific
informed and unambiguous
unbundled
granular
named
documented
and easy to withdraw.

Julia says that consent has become something of an obsession, and is seen by many as a kind of gold standard. But under GDPR, no lawful basis is more important than any other.

So what are the pros and cons of consent?

Pros:

Unambiguous,
easier to implement,
perceived as a gold standard.

Cons

It’s a one-off opportunity, if you ask for consent and it is not given, there is nowhere to go, it’s sudden death.
Response rates will be depressed relative to legitimate risks interests as opt-in is required.

Legitimate interests

She gave as examples of legitimate interests:

Fraud detection and prevention
Compliance with foreign law
Industry watch lists and self- regulatory schemes
Information, system, network and cyber security
Employment data processing
General Corporate Operations and due diligence
Product development and enhancement
Communications and marketing.

It is that last point on the above list that surprises many.

GDPR is clear, Recital 47 states it in black and white: “The processing of personal data for direct marketing purposes may be regarded as carried out for a legitimate interest.”

Complexity is added by a different regulation – PECR. This requires that in most cases people have to give consent to receive emails, but there is a line that refers to soft-in. So if you have collected someone’s email in the course of doing business, and there is an opt-out option, you can send them emails, subject of course to various requirements under PECR, including strict rules on providing opt-out opportunities for the recipient of an email.

So, what are the pros and cons of legitimate interests?

Pros:

Flexible and not purpose specific
long term security over processing of data
risk based approach to compliance:

Cons:

To justify legitimate interests, it is harder to demonstrate compliance,
It means you take on more responsibility for protecting the interests of individuals.

Julia reminded delegates that GDPR is about lawfully, fairly and transparently processing customer’s data.

She referred to an IPSOS poll that found 69 percent of people distrust advertising. But with digital display, click through rates are just 0.05 to 0.1 percent. So the size of a database less important than its quality. And building trust is crucial. So applying GDPR principles is not just a case of something you have to do because it’s law, it is something you have to do because it’s vital to marketing success."

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 11:44:37

Controlling your privacy settings on Google to cover ALL the places where their marketing etc reaches.
policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-GB&fg=1#infochoices

Nana3 Wed 19-Aug-20 22:17:33

Google gobbledygook.

Elegran Wed 19-Aug-20 23:02:44

No, Nana3 It is in English, and has been written to make sense, but you do have to read it a bit at a time, and alter your settings one by one to what you want them to be.

If you don't want to do it yourself, or don't think you are up to doing it, take your device to a computer shop and ask their advice.The reputable ones will set the options for you and talk to you about just how much protection will cover your needs.

They might charge you something for the work - but if you got someone in to fix a lock on your back door that wasn't working properly, you would expect to pay something for that, wouldn't you?