Please GNHQ ... would you consider letting *EllanVannin* come back to this site?

I too miss EV. I don't know if I missed something but she never came across as bad person. I agree with so many on here. She should be allowed to return. A lifetime ban seems so harsh. It's almost Christmas. We have had a harsh couple of years. Please HQ look at the strength of feeling here and reverse your decision. The Spirit of Christmas would please so many and give EV a great start to the new year. I don't know what she said (and don't need to know) I do know kindness should be shown here. Please re consider. So many grans can't be wrong!

A lifetime ban is not called for. I also support the plea for EV to be allowed to return.

GNHQ
Will you all sleep easy in your beds tonight, knowing that you have shown some kindness towards a senior lady who is a valued member of GN?

Or will you all go by the book and shrug your collective shoulders and shout 'it's the rulz innit' ??? ?

(Will report)

I too was shocked to hear of the life time ban. It seems so harsh.

Come on GNHQ do the decent thing and reinstate EV

I know how I felt either last year or earlier this one when I was banned for at least 2 weeks and I became one of the Doghouse Grans.

Some people can be a bit trigger happy not thinking of what the consequences can be.

I also am on my own and for me it was a very miserable two weeks.

Iam64

Calistemon

Iam64

Yes, I rarely, if ever agreed with EV but a life time ban?!

I had a difference of opinion with EllanVannin when she first joined but it was just that - a difference of opinion.

It happens in RL too and I don't ban people from my life because we think differently about something.

It is a harsh judgement.

I’ve reported this in order to alert hq

That's fine, Iam64

Although I don't know if I'm still on probation for arguing with GNHQ over another issue.

Glad common sense prevailed in your case Charleygirl. Let’s hope the same applies to EV.

I remember the campaign in support of MawBe. Didn't work but she got back somehow a few months later.

I’m not sure I’ve ever crossed paths with EV but lifetime bans seem over the top unless someone is a serial offender. Aren’t we all grown ups here?

Something to consider....Ellen may have moved on happily to another forum, they do exist!
However, she may still read GN now and again, so Happy Christmas Ellen if you see this thread.

Urmstongran hopefully will get GN in the spirit of the season to bestow a little Christian forgiveness! ???

The reasons for lifetime banning appear to be arbitrary. For some it seems to be one strike and you're out - no second chances. For others, it seems to be several warnings and then a ban. If a poster can be banned for sustained and prolonged bullying and harassment and then be allowed back, I just cannot understand why EllanVannin hasn't been allowed back. She was definitely no bully.

Shelflife

I don't know anything about EV and was ready to support her return . Have seen now she was posting homophobic posts! I have thought long and hard about this and can probably forgive her due to her age .
However , had I read those homophobic comments I would have been extremely upset indeed!
Very odd the HQ are not responding!!???

Homophobia is a no-no for me! However, I must say that I have possibly more than 20 gay friends and not one of them would make the ageist comment that you make in your post, Shelflife. But we're all different, we are all upset or angered by completely different things in life and sometimes we all speak out of turn or say things we later regret. We can all take offence but often it's more sensible just to walk on by and ignore things that we cannot instantly change in people that we know very little about.

Well done, Urms for thinking to start this thread, although I don't hold out a lot of hope for a measured response from those who banned a very popular poster. 5 pages of posts here in support of Ellan and not a squeak from GNHQ. Here we are again!

Cheesey describes Ellan Vannin accurately. She is not a poor old lady. She's someone who is warm-hearted, kind and considerate. She never puts herself first, never complains, never moans or craves attention and is the matriarch of a family who are so lucky to have her; her friends are lucky too. When lockdown struck, her uncomplaining, (crumpet-filled posts), were humorous, caring, interested as well as interesting. She is always self-deprecating, saw the funny side in difficult times and was the first to offer comfort and wise advice to anyone she felt was in difficulties. On her own maybe, but filled many of us with admiration as she pulled those big girl pants up high and got on with her life.

Given that the person she upset and offended has posted here and generously asked that she be reinstated, and was not the person who reported her, we must draw the conclusion that someone rushed off to snatch the moral high ground in the hope that Ellan would be silenced. Amongst adults, one would have hoped for a lot better.

Gransnet is awash with posters who have been banned but who have returned - sometimes having learned nothing from an enforced absence and who are frequently involved in all sorts of unpleasantness. To permanently deprive one long-standing
and popular GN member of contact with so many Grans who looked forward to her daily posts is beyond draconian - it beggars belief. I just despair.

Given that the person she upset and offended has posted here and generously asked that she be reinstated

I'd just like to clarify that, although I said I had a difference of opinion with EV, it was not over anything offensive that she may or may not have posted.

It was over something about which we both felt strongly and was a very long time ago, water under the bridge.

I think a life time ban is harsh, however in fairness, I dont think Gransnet can say why she was banned, and the reasons are not our business.

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I agree Chewbacca. The 'rules' don't seem to make much sense do they.

No, I never meant you, Calistemon - Lt.Eve

I have reported my own post to draw attention to the strength of feeling from members on this banishment. It ensures GNHQ reads the thread. May I suggest we all do this.

I have no idea why EV would be banned. I don’t recollect any harsh words and reading all the posts on here in support of her return, it would be good if GNHQ reconsiders-and soon.

That's a good point GrannySomerset.

I feel like I have to post now, even though I intensely dislike these kind of threads.
There is people who have been allowed back who have done far more than be outspoken.
Ellan is forthright (and sometimes forthwrong) but never, ever spiteful.
Bans should be clear, and fair, and every member given the chance that others have been allowed.
So, fair treatment for everyone, please.
Bring her back!

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I don’t know if anyone remembers; (it seems that most don’t) but a few months ago I started a thread called ‘Gransnet Day of Action’.
It might have been August, I’m not sure.
Anyway, it was predominantly about another poster’s inability to post, through no fault of their own.
(Thanks to a lot of badgering, and also Lily@GN, the poster is now post.)
The other main aim of the thread was the reinstatement of Ellan following the then recent news of her ‘lifetime ban’.
Members of GN pmed HQ asking for EV’s ban to be reconsidered.
GNHQ replied that they ‘would not allow a poster back due to popular demand’.

Sorry, that should read that GNers emailed HQ about EVs ban.
It was a long thread, and many GNers got involved.
I’m surprised that no one seems to remember it.