Please GNHQ ... would you consider letting *EllanVannin* come back to this site?

Reading about the current one it seems a shame if she is alone etc as people suggest, but there was another poster who was banned,- who again I didn’t know, who died, and GN consistently refused to give into pressure.

I think season of goodwill seems as good a reason as any.

There are posters I am sure who like me were never part of a circle of “friends” on GN. I’m happy not to be because it isn’t my thing, but if they have been banned they don’t have anyone to speak up for them and that seems unfair.

Urmstongran

Please start another thread if you would WWmk2 as I really would like this one to be specific and supportive in regard to EV’s ban and would prefer not to muddy the waters by general debate.

It isn’t a debate but questioning why one poster should be given this consideration and not another.

I’m not arguing against the posters return, far from it, as I think GN are generally infantile in their banning. Of course there are things that no site can tolerate.
But if they are giving one poster consideration then they must look at the wider implication.

Galaxy

One of the posters who was banned, (the only person I have ever reported) trolled the site relentlessly, taking numerous identities, pretending to be a worker on zero hour contracts during the pandemic etc etc, on threads like this they would advise others how to avoid a ban. I dont want them back thanks very much. This is not EV I am talking about just to make this clear. I absolutely dont want everyone who was banned to be reprieved. Would that include the person who trolled the GM threads by talking about sex (I am being polite here).

I posted my thoughts on this yesterday, Galaxy

I think draconian measures such as lifetime bans for unknown reasons should normally have no place on what is supposed to be a supportive site like Gransnet.
Of course, if someone was a t***l or being constantly abusive towards other posters then a ban could be the right thing, after warnings.

I feel horrified to learn that an elderly lady has been banned for life from any forum. That an elderly lady has been banned from the company of other elderly ladies is unconscionably cruel, and amounts to what in the real world would be solitary confinement.

The other forums I visit are democratically moderated by a panel of contributors. Much better!

I had a few disagreements with EV on here, and found some of her views completely contrary to mine, as did others I assume, but this is surely the point of GN? To debate, chat, educate, read and give other points of view? If any posts are intolerable, just delete them, not the poster.

Charleygirl5

I know how I felt either last year or earlier this one when I was banned for at least 2 weeks and I became one of the Doghouse Grans.

Some people can be a bit trigger happy not thinking of what the consequences can be.

I also am on my own and for me it was a very miserable two weeks.

This is another implication of these bans. It could either lead to posters not reporting a dreadful post because they are worried that it may lead to a ban, thus we could have a nasty free for all, or it could lead to a pile on with a clique getting someone banned.

Yes GillT57, absolutely the point.
Whitewave a precedent has already been set so no problem for GNHQ to repeat.
Please moderators let us welcome EV back in time for Christmas ?

Maudi

I agree it's ridiculous a lifetime ban, even in real life murderers get parole. I didn't really know EllannVannin but l support her reinstatement.

That is interesting. Are you saying that pressure from other members succeeded in overturning a ban?

Wrong quote -the quote should have been lauranorder

I have noticed there are qute a few posters on here I have had disagreements within the past. It's good to know we are all in agreement about not banning EV. But there still seems to be no response from GNHQ. Do you suppose we need to report a post or the thread for them to take notice? Or are they all celebrating Christmas a little early and not in a fit state to answer??

If pressure did enable a ban to be overturned, then what about anyone who does not have a circle of people willing to put up a fight for their return, but who were banned for a lesser mis-demeaner?

This is what I’m saying.

That can’t be right or fair, as it is who is shouting the loudest.

My thinking too WWM2.

it could lead to a pile on with a clique getting someone banned.

Yes Gill, exactly. One of the clique was throwing threats of reporting around on a thread I was on recently (not naming it, not breaking the rules).

I reported my own post to the moderator.

If I get a ban, I will be in good company

glammanana

I am friends with EV and saw her as I was driving down the Road on Wednesday she looked fine all wrapped up warm making her way back to her flat.
Tomorrow I shall be calling on her with a Card for Christmas and to see if she has seen the posts here I know she will be humbled at the thoughts shown by so many people.

That's good Glammanana.
Give her good wishes from everyone here.

As suggested WWN2* another thread if you like may be appropriate, this is for EV.

Yes trisher some of us have been reporting our own posts on this thread, to get their attention.
I had a reply, as others probably did, to say that GNHQ is thinking about it and will get back to us.

Yes WWM2 someone did come back who started a thread to apologise for how they had behaved before.
I have no idea who they were previously or what they had said but others on the thread clearly did know.

I am sure at least two posters came back this last year, who'd had lifetime bans. Once at least had upset others hugely.

Yes FarNorth, and has received constant threats and intimidation ever since.

I'm sorry to hear that GagaJo.
I hope those things are reported, even if they are in PMs.

I am not sure that is entirely true GagaJo. If that was the case surely she would leave of her own volition. There has also been a lot of support.

Of course, if someone was a t***l or being constantly abusive towards other posters then a ban could be the right thing, after warnings

A lifetime ban, in these circumstances would be fair and just but what if they were then allowed back? What is the criteria to allow one poster to be banned, and then reinstated, but not another, who has done nowhere near as much damage and hurt to the general GN community? GNHQ often quote guidelines for posting but what are the guidelines for a banned poster being accepted back? What does GNHQ use as a benchmark?

Can I appeal to all to go gently please.
Urms started this thread specifically for EV and it would be a shame for it to wander off topic.
As far as I know EV doesn’t have an inner circle. She is known to most for good kind and interesting posts on the good morning thread.
Popular doesn’t mean part of any clique it just means a thoroughly sincere and well liked person.