Do you remember wayback when.........

Oh I disagree Missadventure (but nicely!) Many of the adults who have made the world a better place gave offense to many people.

Yes, but not by sending them private messages about them being on benefits, surely?

A cow took a fence, I took offence, well it was really a hedge. Who knew cows like red robin.
She pulled so hard at it it nearly was uprooted, I kid you not.

No of course not. There are some clear example of rudeness/unkindness but in general it's not usually that easy.

So this might be offensive. The people I want to 'judge' speech on here are the moderators, thats because I trust (to the extent that you can) the company and its values. I dont have that faith in random people on the internet because I dont know them.

We'll have to agree to disagree (nicely!!)

I'm sure people don't go out for the day and accidentally offend people left right and centre.

Yep.
That I agree with.
Gnhq make the decisions. Thankfully!

It's about two years for me. I have made good friends, and I have argued with some.
I feel a forum is needed to air views,if they are unpleasant or you do not agree or think they are boasting or a" Queen bee", then you either reply or move on.
Life at the moment for most people is uncertain and not upbeat this is reflected in the posts. That is not wrong and can often be helped by other people's points of view. Or just a kind wish.
Gransnet to me is a friend I wished lived down the street.

Galaxy

So this might be offensive. The people I want to 'judge' speech on here are the moderators, thats because I trust (to the extent that you can) the company and its values. I dont have that faith in random people on the internet because I dont know them.

Absolutely. And nine times out of ten the people who want to control (from within) what others can say are the very people who should not be allowed to do it .

I am probably alone in having a bit of faith in MN . I dont fir example post much on Twitter because I dont trust the company. Although that's now sounding paranoid

The majority of posters on gransnet are neither over sensitive or rude and spiteful.
There is a very small number in either camp. But both groups can really drag down a thread.
On Mumsnet there are so many posters who seem to constantly scour threads for reasons to take offence that it seems almost impossible any more to start a tongue in cheek light hearted discussion about anything. It has removed a lot of fun and wit from the forum.
All of us can unintentionally annoy or upset someone. That's life. But that's different from the perennial offenders, getting ban after ban but failing to change their behaviour. There are one or two names that I dread to see coming up on a thread because I know they rarely say anything nice.
Most people I can disagree with on one thread and agree with on another quite happily. It's not really that you disagree with someone that's the problem. It's how you do it.

Doodledog

Galaxy

So this might be offensive. The people I want to 'judge' speech on here are the moderators, thats because I trust (to the extent that you can) the company and its values. I dont have that faith in random people on the internet because I dont know them.

Absolutely. And nine times out of ten the people who want to control (from within) what others can say are the very people who should not be allowed to do it .

I totally agree with both of you and the problem with some people is they don't seem to recognise when their post is offensive/nasty so will put up a great fight against any intervention from other posters.

Are people getting ban after ban? I think it was kandinsky who mentioned 2 bans then its permanent suspension. I had that sort of figure in my head from MN but I dont know if I am making it up! Someone flouncing and then coming back isnt a ban.

I have seen posters sniggering about having been on the norty step 'again'.

Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. You can’t force your opinions into someone else, in real life we wouldn’t be so strident because we wouldn’t want to lose friends.

I work with a man whose opinions and mine couldn’t be more different, we sometimes have a bit of a laugh at each other’s expense, but we have remained very good friends for about 25 years.

I think it’s because despite different opinions, we are similar people.

Galaxy

Are people getting ban after ban? I think it was kandinsky who mentioned 2 bans then its permanent suspension. I had that sort of figure in my head from MN but I dont know if I am making it up! Someone flouncing and then coming back isnt a ban.

How would anyone know if someone has been 'banned' - or if someone has just chosen to step out for a while? Unless it is by pm? Does GN moderation team publish the info on bans + reason?

or e-mail or phone calls outside the group, as a banned poster would not be able to post here. Do you know how it works?

Fluerpepper
I don’t know how you would know if someone was banned, they couldn’t tell us could they?
No one seems to take it seriously anyway.

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

GrannyGravy13

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Yes, and why, I wonder? Some 'orchestration' at play? Why?

Sara1954

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

Yes, I was just going to say that ?.

I don't think there is an announcement when someone is banned - usually I hear about it when someone refers to it, (often in defence of the banned person) and appeals for clemency. I think that people are suspended far more than being banned, and assume that that is what is meant by the naughty step.

The problem, as I see it, is that the dreaded 'Some People' are a lot more likely to report things than others, so anyone daring to say something that offends them (whoever they are) will be more likely to get suspended than someone saying similar things to others. As we've said upthread, we all have different triggers, and some are more used to rough and tumble discussions than others. This can make it seem that there is uneven moderation - and sometimes there is - as GN is post-moderated much depends on (a) what is reported, and (b) who picks up the report. The rules are very vague, so it's not aways clear whether something contravenes them or not. I don't think it's a case of 'as adults we should know' - if we see people doing something with no comeback it's natural to assume that it's ok.

I post on a few boards, and different customs apply on each, which can confuse people, too. As a (hopefully non-contentious) example, on one I use it is considered very bad form to post without reading the thread first, so anyone saying the same thing as someone else is roundly pulled up for it. Here, that seems to be perfectly acceptable, but those, like me, who are used to it being considered very rude, have to get used to that. There will be many better examples, but I hope that one makes the point. Some boards are a lot tougher than others, plus people have very different views on things like swearing.

I suppose it's a bit like travelling to countries with different ways of doing things and seeming to be offensive because you haven't picked up on the local customs. That was a lot-winded way of saying I don't think that it's black and white.

Sara1954

Granny
I agree, bit more civilised though,
So far!

Yes it is staying very civil.

Maybe the moderation could be stronger and more consistent than it is at the moment. Also maybe clearer reasons as to why a post is removed. Or maybe a note from the moderator, letting the post stand but saying 'please do not personally attack posters/troll hunt' etc

It might give a clearer indication of what behaviour is acceptable and what is not.

Fleurpepper

GrannyGravy13

This is turning into a duplicate of the thread which was deleted the other day, minus all the new posters/lurkers which haven’t posted since (that I have seen)

Yes, and why, I wonder? Some 'orchestration' at play? Why?

Absolutely no idea, just perusing GN whilst having a coffee, and noticed the similarities between the deleted thread and this one.

It's on the same subject more or less but appears to have been started before the deleted one.
Site stuff doesn't get as much traffic as chat, so it's moving along more slowly and calmly.
Not seeing any orchestration.