We have become a nation of scruffs!

Casdon

Are you sure PippaZ, that it’s me who has demonstrated a need to be right? I have never said that you don’t have a right to a different ‘perspective’ (an attempt at sarcasm perchance?), but there is plenty more evidence if you want to see it. I’d like to see yours too., then perhaps we could have a balanced debate?

Goodness me, you are prickly, aren't you? "Perspective" was the word you used so I quoted it. Why assume I am trying to be sarcastic? I don't want to see more evidence that we are affected by what we wear; I am sure we are especially if they are clothes we love to wear. However, that was a very poor piece of evidence for that and I didn't need convincing. I simply don't agree that everyone "judges" others by what they are wearing.

First you were quite offensive when you suggested I was inferring one way of viewing life was "inferior" to another. Which I wasn't. I said I didn't believe that but you continued to insist you knew my mind better than I did.

Then you have gone on, and on, and on. All I have said is that we disagree and that that's okay. But your emphatic disagreement will not make me change my mind that I, and others, do not "judge" people by what they are wearing.

And still, you want to continue. Why?

I love dressing up for a special occasion. I also love a dress, white trainers and the denim jacket look which is fashionable now. Some people might consider this to be scruffy but times change.

grannyrebel7

I love dressing up for a special occasion. I also love a dress, white trainers and the denim jacket look which is fashionable now. Some people might consider this to be scruffy but times change.

Yes, this is what I feel. That people are not accepting that what is considered dressed up and smart nowadays might seem casual to a previous generation.

Alot of these threads get spoilt with squabbling,it's about clothes

PippaZ I’d cry if I wasn’t laughing. Okay, you are right in every respect, I capitulate.

'Dress codes' make me angry. Why should someone else tell me what to wear? On principle I would bin any invitation that stated or implied a dress code.

Casdon

PippaZ I’d cry if I wasn’t laughing. Okay, you are right in every respect, I capitulate.

I will repeat what I first said. Those who like to live by rules will judge others by clothes rules. Those who are happy to live and let live as long as no harm is done will see the whole person.

None of the previous attempts to tell me what I think has changed that. I never said I wanted you to "capitulate"; why would I? That's just melodramatic posting designed to attract attention. You are as entitled as I am to live how you chose. However, you tried to tell me I was wrong to see life as I do. It couldn't possibly be true, simply because you don't. It would just have been nice if you had agreed I was entitled to my way of seeing life too.

One bride in the USA gave her wedding guests a strict dress code according to their weight:

Women 100 - 160lbs
Green velvet sweater, orange suede pants, Louboutin heels (must have red heels) and a Burberry scarf
Women 160lbs plus All black clothes, black heels
Men 100 - 200lbs Purple "fuzzy" jacket, soda hat, white trainers and plain glow sticks
Men 200lbs plus All camouflage clothes, black sneakers
Children all ages Red from head to toe

Can't wait for my invite!

I have a photo next to me of my grandad c1926 on the beach with my mum aged 1. He is paddling, wearing a collar and tie and a jacket, with his trousers rolled up to his knees. I have no doubt he was dressed as other men were in the beach (it wasn't a warm day).

I went to a funeral mid-90s and was the only one in a black suit in a packed church.

There are times when we just want to not stand out as being too formal or too informal, or maybe not stand out as being different.

Btw I thought Gareth Malone looked quite smart and Katie Derham looked a bit over the top.

If you want to see real dressing up look for photos of last night's Met Gala for some stunning, and sometimes v. extreme, outfits.

I was wondering this morning why the "rule" of wearing a black armband which, so google tells me, was worn to signify that the wearer is in mourning or wishes to identify with the commemoration of a family friend

Also, what happened to the periods of morning movement from "non-reflective black paramatta and crape for the first year of deepest mourning, followed by nine months of dullish black silk, heavily trimmed with crape, and then three months when crape was discarded".

There are the changemakers and the rule-takers. We need them both or we would still be dressing as they did at some point in the past, designated by others with the power to do so.

family friend, disappeared.

Popped my head in thinking it might be a fun one! No, just arguing. Like so many others!!

love0c

Popped my head in thinking it might be a fun one! No, just arguing. Like so many others!!

I know! Astonishing that a group of older (mostly) women should be arguing about clothes!!

loveOc - I was expecting a light-hearted discussion too!
Hells bells, I won’t make that mistake again.

I was too Lizzie such a shame could have been interesting and fun*.

Thank goodness that we are more relaxed about clothes (well generally). I live in trousers, putting a skirt on makes me feel very "dressed up" even if it's just a cotton summer frock, even though I tend to wear white trainers or flat sandals with it. I went for my flu jab on Saturday in a T shirt and shorts, will often pop into the butchers on my way home from Pilates in my leggings and sports top and regularly shop in riding breeches and long boots. If anyone thinks it's inappropriate kit for a woman in her 70's then that's their problem.

What is fashionable or 'in' - I need help!

No, I don't have any white trainers either, by the time I get round to buying some, they'll be out of fashion again.

I shall be a lady who lunches one day this week and have no idea what to wear.

One of my daughters is a personal trainer and turns up
for lunch in her 'work clothes'. Her older sister one day
snapped at her and said it was like eating with the P.E.
Instuctor. The next lunch she turned up with just a simple
denim mini skirt on top of the lycra and announced she
felt less professional and more relaxed. Clothes can change
your emotions

Well I do like to have a nice dress and makeup on when going out. I don’t usually judge a book by its cover. We are not in a communist country where a uniform is order of the day.

The only look I do criticise is rollers in hair and pyjamas when walking around shops. It’s down right scruffy and there is no excuse for it.

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These 2 seem perfectly content with their wardrobe choices for their supermarket dash...

I do like to dress up, most days, but I must add not in a wedding gear type of way, I suppose I’m more smart casual but always like to look nice, hair neat, nails painted, it doesn’t bother me really how others dress, some of the things they wear could cost a lot more than you would think, and some would probably say they look scruffy, I tend to look at the person as a whole and not judge the book by the cover, live and let live!

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What do we think about these looks? To some, they are casual, to others pretty smart?

Chewbacca

These 2 seem perfectly content with their wardrobe choices for their supermarket dash...

Yes, a nation of scruffs.

Lizzie72

What do we think about these looks? To some, they are casual, to others pretty smart?

Looks smart casual. Very nice.