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How Many Years of Beauty do I Have Left?

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MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 12:33:11

Hello to all,

I hope you are having a really lovely weekend. I've had this photo and beautiful prose for awhile. I love to read it and think about it when I am feeling a bit down.

How do you feel about ageing? How has the process been for you, as a woman specifically.

Statistics show us women experience ageing and ageism differently then men. It doesn't mean that men don't struggle or are not affected, because they are, and I want that to be clear. However, that is not what this conversation is about.

As a woman in this world, how do you feel about ageing. If you can be honest, if you have come to that part of your life, the part of self-reflection, where you have a good idea of where you stand.

I'll start the conversation. For anyone who would like to join, you are very welcome.

I'll be 60 in less than 2 months. I grew up in California, though I have been in the UK for 16 years as a Dual Citizen now. The UK is my home.

However, I must admit, where I was raised, in Southern California, near Malibu and Hollywood, there was much to do about looks, and of course, there certainly still is, especially for women and their "worth".

I remember my mother going on and on about how important it would be to take care of myself and that I would want to look my best, to be sure I could find someone to "take care of me". At the very same time, she was very adamant about women having their own careers.

I suppose our mum's are human and my mum was very torn, as you can see. She knew that she wanted her "girls" to be career-women, so we could take care of ourselves, yet she still had that solid line that we would ultimately need a man to take care of us.

Where I grew up, and the years which would follow, it was very clear that if you were considered "attractive", you were treated differently. Better, to be fair. And so it went.

The one thing I didn't bargain for, was ageing. Why? Because I was never taught about it. Were any of you? In your school system here in the UK, was ageing and the menopause ever spoken of in detail?

It wasn't in the US, that's for sure. And most certainly not in Southern California.

As I got older, I ended up in Northern California during the "Dot Com" boom. I was very lucky that way. Though I had not gone to school for tech, I came into a company as the secretary/admin. I answered phones and let people into the building.

Over the year I was in that role, I decided I was going to see if I could learn a little "tech" with the help of friends I made who worked there. And sure enough, I did. And within a year I was hired.

From there, the sky was the limit, It really was. I ultimately became a manager at Hewlett Packard and when I moved to the UK, they actually got hold of me and asked me to come back, which meant working from home! So I did.

Let's say, over time, I made a decision it was time to spend more time with family and the world. I had worked so very hard and so many hours from a very young age. I raised my son with a laptop in my hands most of the time, sadly. But needs must.

When I changed roles and because a Funeral Arranger and End of Life Support person, I was looking forward to doing my "heart work". However, this work is Freelance type work and it was hit and miss. Over time, I realised the income was not as I had hoped, and started to try to get back into tech.

Let me put it very briefly, with decades upon decades of experience, awards, accolades and certifications, I could not get a job, not even as a customer care admin for 10 pound and hour. My CVs were turned down again and again. I still have the file, there are hundreds.

I tried everything. And it was honestly so very strange, as in the past, I never knew what it was like not to be offered a job. I was very, very lucky. Every time I changed roles or business, I was able to land my next role and move up, as it were.

Now, here I am with my hubby. We live in our little park home. And I will tell you I am grateful we've a roof over our head and food to eat. I am no fool and know just how much people are struggling.

But back to the fact of ageism, beauty and what our identity is, now. Now that we are moving into a new realm of life.

I struggle some days, I must admit. I feel frustrated, unfairly treated and sometimes invisible. So very strange, yet, I know many other women are feeling the same.

So, I have attached this beautiful piece of art and writing, because they inspire me, and I thought they may be nice to open the conversation with.

Please, if you feel you would like to, I would love to hear your experience.

Many thanks,
Miss Redd

Allira Sat 28-Jun-25 22:50:51

RosieandherMaw

The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Beauty is but a vain and doubtful good; a shining gloss that fadeth suddenly; a flower that dies when it begins to bud; a doubtful good, a gloss, a glass, a flower, lost, faded, broken, dead within an hour.

Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart.

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 22:53:46

RosieandherMaw

The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.

RosieandherMaw, again, your viewpoint. One that doesn't feel very friendly at all. If you don't like the format, why are you answering?

If you've read anything I post, I try my best to answer everything someone says to me, personally. If someone is going to take the time to answer a question, I feel it's a decent thing to do to reply,

Maybe you don't see it that way. That doesn't make it right or wrong. As if there was some "way" we must answer posts in a a forum.

Now that just seems a bit petty. But again, that's just the feeling I am left with.

I mean, why do you care? Why are you so bothered that I am answering each person? "Dominating the conversation?" LOL. Goodness. Is there no end to the kindness and giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

Or must we all be judged immediately and quickly sorted into a box that makes you feel better?

Just...strange. It would be very strange if I didn't have any thoughts about what happened here.

Perhaps some people have had some "bot" experiences, which have made them concerned.

Otherwise, I think we are safe to allow people to post how they would like to and if you don't enjoy the thread, just leave it. It's not for you.

That would make sense, really.

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 22:56:45

Allira

RosieandherMaw

The thing is, this thread has not evolved into a discussion about whether or not women of our age feel (or felt when younger )about the role appearance makes in their lives.
Instead it has morphed into a Q/A session where OP takes it on herself to answer each post . A rather 2 dimensional type of “conversation” dominated by OP.
I have lost sight of what it is all about anyway.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Beauty is but a vain and doubtful good; a shining gloss that fadeth suddenly; a flower that dies when it begins to bud; a doubtful good, a gloss, a glass, a flower, lost, faded, broken, dead within an hour.

Beauty is not in the face; beauty is a light in the heart.

That's beautifully put and something really important to put at the front of one's mind.

Beauty is a light in the heart. I love that.

Thanks,
Miss Redd

NotSpaghetti Sat 28-Jun-25 23:18:02

Allira

I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.

That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.

Agreed Allira

Sweetpeasue Sat 28-Jun-25 23:19:21

'Beauty is a light in your heart'
This to me is as good as anything here.
Thanks Miss Redd for an interesting discussion.

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 23:45:04

NotSpaghetti

Allira

I know people who had great careers, famous connections, and retired to Park Homes.

That really does come across as rather snobby and superior.

Agreed Allira

There are so many really lovely people here. I am still very glad I found you all. Thank you, NotSpaghetti.

Take care,
Miss Redd

MissRedd Sat 28-Jun-25 23:47:05

Sweetpeasue

'Beauty is a light in your heart'
This to me is as good as anything here.
Thanks Miss Redd for an interesting discussion.

That's very kind of you, Sweetpeasue! There is always something to learn from each other along the way. Not mistakes. Just stepping-stones. Sometimes those stepping-stones may be a bit bumpy, but we do eventually get to where we are going.

I love so many of the thoughts you all shared here. So many great experiences and ways to view the subect.

Take care,
Miss Redd

petra Sun 29-Jun-25 07:25:04

Jaxjacky

I assume BOTS posting don’t break the rules petra 😏

I argued with one a while back. Someone reported my posts and I was banned for a week.
Couldn’t make it up, could you 🤷‍♀️

Grandma70s Sun 29-Jun-25 07:47:15

“Beauty, strength, youth are flowers but fading seen.
Duty, faith, love are roots, and ever green”.

One of my favourite quotations, by George Peele.

petra Sun 29-Jun-25 07:56:07

I think it’s about time we had a BOTSnet.
All in favour, contact HQ. 😂

Sago Sun 29-Jun-25 08:03:26

What a strange thread.

I would rather be thought of as kind than beautiful.

keepingquiet Sun 29-Jun-25 09:05:20

MissRedd

keepingquiet

I think if you invest your energies into shallow endeavours such as always 'looking good' whatever that means, then when you get judged by other as looking old, your whole world will come crashing down.

Better to invest in the more lasting things in life that will never judge you this way- family and friends especially but also being able to do your job well and serve your community. You can do all these things well even as you get older.

Also caring for your health is a much more rewarding way of taking care of what's inside too- the only way of looking eternally young is to die at an early age- and who would want that?
Not me- I look forward to getting older, more loved for who I am, and respected for what I've done to help people along the way.

Thanks keepingquiet, this was a really helpful post.

Tell me, if you feel you would like to share, were you raised by parents who really saw you as a whole person? Meaning, they were very interested in your abilities and learning.

After reading your post, I get the feeling you may have been supported by some positive parenting regarding who you are, instead of what you look like.

This is the absolute key to raising a strong and confident woman, who will tend to be quite happy with herself on the whole, as long as she reaches her own personal goals, etc.

It would be really interesting to know how your parents viewed you and your future.

Many thanks,
Miss Redd

Yes, I had great, very hardworking parents who were also very active in their community. We were a large family.
I did feel I let my parents down, though, particularly my dad, by the way my life panned out... I made lots of mistakes along the way but maybe the support of family and very good friends always helped me to reflect and grow as a person.

I was always fairly happy with my looks, as I look very like my lovely mum, but as you say, education and particularly reading was encouraged in the home as well as the attitude that it isn't all about me. (Even though for a long time I thought it was!)

Now I'm older I see that healthy relationships are the anchor we need to stop us helplessly floating around, or even sinking.
So, as I said before, there is still much to look forward to as well as contribute, as I enter this next stage of my life.

I hope you find that too.

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 10:27:58

Grandma70s

“Beauty, strength, youth are flowers but fading seen.
Duty, faith, love are roots, and ever green”.

One of my favourite quotations, by George Peele.

That's really lovely Grandma70's. I'm going to hold onto this one as well. In my role as a funeral celebrant, this would be something very lovely to offer as a brief little reading. They tell of a life well-lived, or if young, the ideals we should be looking toward.

Thank you for this,
Miss Redd

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 10:33:21

keepingquiet

MissRedd

keepingquiet

I think if you invest your energies into shallow endeavours such as always 'looking good' whatever that means, then when you get judged by other as looking old, your whole world will come crashing down.

Better to invest in the more lasting things in life that will never judge you this way- family and friends especially but also being able to do your job well and serve your community. You can do all these things well even as you get older.

Also caring for your health is a much more rewarding way of taking care of what's inside too- the only way of looking eternally young is to die at an early age- and who would want that?
Not me- I look forward to getting older, more loved for who I am, and respected for what I've done to help people along the way.

Thanks keepingquiet, this was a really helpful post.

Tell me, if you feel you would like to share, were you raised by parents who really saw you as a whole person? Meaning, they were very interested in your abilities and learning.

After reading your post, I get the feeling you may have been supported by some positive parenting regarding who you are, instead of what you look like.

This is the absolute key to raising a strong and confident woman, who will tend to be quite happy with herself on the whole, as long as she reaches her own personal goals, etc.

It would be really interesting to know how your parents viewed you and your future.

Many thanks,
Miss Redd

Yes, I had great, very hardworking parents who were also very active in their community. We were a large family.
I did feel I let my parents down, though, particularly my dad, by the way my life panned out... I made lots of mistakes along the way but maybe the support of family and very good friends always helped me to reflect and grow as a person.

I was always fairly happy with my looks, as I look very like my lovely mum, but as you say, education and particularly reading was encouraged in the home as well as the attitude that it isn't all about me. (Even though for a long time I thought it was!)

Now I'm older I see that healthy relationships are the anchor we need to stop us helplessly floating around, or even sinking.
So, as I said before, there is still much to look forward to as well as contribute, as I enter this next stage of my life.

I hope you find that too.

Thank you, Keepingquiet. This is exactly what part of my question was. It was at the heart of what I was getting at, and I can see you understand that.

I gave so many "descriptors", as I am new here and also wanted to give a background that may help others understand where I was coming from, so that the question wasn't so unusual.

Sometimes, things really are just what they seem to be.

I found what you added here, incredibly helpful. The whole root of where I am at today, and what I was getting at in my original post.

I was wondering if those who were raised by parents who focused on education, character, ethics, and all things that make a person confident and a positive person in this world, had also entered into their older years with this in mind, thus not being so affected by what our exterior does.

Anyway, thanks very much for circling back round. It was a very good read and I appreciate it.

Miss Redd

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 10:36:59

Sago

What a strange thread.

I would rather be thought of as kind than beautiful.

Hi Sago,

Well yes, that was certainly not the intention, but it does appear that a handful of people's sensibilities were knocked there for a moment. shock.

Hopefully they are all OK now, and not left too horrified and shocked at such an unusual post. ;)

Thanks for your post.

Miss Redd

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 10:40:21

petra

I think it’s about time we had a BOTSnet.
All in favour, contact HQ. 😂

To be honest with you, Petra, I am pretty sure a forum such as Gransnets' calibre, is going to have many protections already in place.

But hey, you never know! They do get sneakier and more stealth as time goes by. Goodness, look what AI can do these days. We are very nearly at the the moment in history where even the pros are having difficulty in telling the difference.

Crossstitchfan Sun 29-Jun-25 11:10:59

I think this is the weirdest thread I have ever read! And so LONG!
Didn’t manage to get to the end!

RosieandherMaw Sun 29-Jun-25 11:23:49

Crossstitchfan

I think this is the weirdest thread I have ever read! And so LONG!
Didn’t manage to get to the end!

It does go on a bit not helped by lengthy quoted passages, a lot of repetition,and irrelevance, constant (it seems) self referencing and replies by OP as if it's all about her, not a discussion between equals.
That may be the style of other sites OP has experienced but it's not GN.

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 11:24:58

Crossstitchfan

I think this is the weirdest thread I have ever read! And so LONG!
Didn’t manage to get to the end!

LOL. That's cute.

I hope you taking all your own time, just to post this important note has helped you in some way, to process the trauma this caused you. grin

Goodness, you are very precious, aren't you?

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 11:27:34

RosieandherMaw

Crossstitchfan

I think this is the weirdest thread I have ever read! And so LONG!
Didn’t manage to get to the end!

It does go on a bit not helped by lengthy quoted passages, a lot of repetition,and irrelevance, constant (it seems) self referencing and replies by OP as if it's all about her, not a discussion between equals.
That may be the style of other sites OP has experienced but it's not GN.

RosieandherMaw,

I didn't realise this was a site you created and there was a set mandate as to how people choose to post and have a personal dialogue with each person. This would seem to point to focusing on each person's post as important. I guess that seemed to elude you.

It's really not my problem if you don't like how I post. I would say that is a "you" problem.

Perhaps ignore my posts and threads? I would say that is the healthiest option going forward.

annodomini Sun 29-Jun-25 11:29:37

"Nor Spring nor Summer's beauty hath such grace
As I have seen in one Autumnal face."

John Donne

RosieandherMaw Sun 29-Jun-25 11:35:13

I hope you taking all your own time, just to post this important note has helped you in some way, to process the trauma this caused you

Goodness, you are very precious, aren't you

A bit rude to say the least. The poster is entitled to her opinion without being accused of preciosity.
As for "personal dialogues" there is a perfectly adequate PM ( private messaging) facility at your disposal.
And of course, for some of us the OFF button.

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 11:37:43

RosieandherMaw

^I hope you taking all your own time, just to post this important note has helped you in some way, to process the trauma this caused you^

Goodness, you are very precious, aren't you

A bit rude to say the least. The poster is entitled to her opinion without being accused of preciosity.
As for "personal dialogues" there is a perfectly adequate PM ( private messaging) facility at your disposal.
And of course, for some of us the OFF button.

Ah, now. It sounds as if you are perfectly fine to make your opinions known about other's posts, but when you are pointed out, you don't like it. That's not how things work.

Yes, I do think you should use the off button. You'd feel much better. I'm not going anywhere, good try though.

MissRedd Sun 29-Jun-25 11:42:53

Final Post on this thread from me:

Hi all,

I don't want to continue on with this thread, as it has 'devolved' into a bit of a mean-girl game, in my opinion.

My suggestion to you is to ignore this thread, and to possibly consider just because someone doesn't do something exactly as you would like, doesn't make them wrong.

If you don't like it, get on your bike, as they say. I mean, what in the world is the point of coming into a post, just to critique the post, rather than participate in the subjects offered?

Sounds to me like a few of you will never be happy and will do what they can to satisfy whatever issues they have by going after others, trying to push others down, make sure they are shown who is boss, that sort of petty and insecure sort of thing.

That is not why I am here. I am here to participate and learn. And maybe, make a friend or two. Which I must say, I have also met some very lovely and open-hearted people here.

Thank goodness there is only a handful of this "type" on here. The rest are truly interesting and I have enjoyed reading your threads and posts.

Take care and see you around!

Miss Redd

Mt61 Sun 29-Jun-25 11:52:05

I was always told I was attractive when I was younger even though I never saw what other people saw. Now I don’t really give a dam, I like being invisible now.
I still have my lovely red Bob, I have always used vit A on my face since 19, so no lines.
I have put on weight because I can’t get round as fast these days. Do I feel like I am loosing my looks, probably due to the fact my pain shows in face.
I really am not vain enough to go out & get Botox or fillers.
I try my best to be a better person, by helping others where I can.