So that's it then, France is off! Quarantine from Sunday 4.00am

Yes MerylStreep.

casdon at no time did I even mention the UK in my post, so I'm not sure why you would have thought that I'd transposed the UK/France figures. And I'm equally bemused by the fact that you say it doesn’t tell you the current position for France when the data is updated daily and the above table clearly shows that those are the cumulative figures, across the EU, as at 08/07/2021.

Kali2 you asked for the source of my information and I've provided it?

Not sure what France is up to, seeing as in May this year they banned ALL but essential travel from the UK, with 10 days quarantine to boot. Only lifted on July 1st. Macron is such a child.

What use are cumulative figures if you want to know how many people have COVID at the moment?

A country could have had a million cases, but if only 5 a day are getting it at the moment the country is fairly safe. If it has only had thousands of cases to date, but all are in the last week, then I would probably avoid it.

France reported 31 cases per 100,000 people yesterday graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/france/. the UK figure is 212 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

There is a meeting next Monday of the conseil scientifique to discuss the delta varient. Castex or Macron will speak at a press conference afterwards.

What use are cumulative figures if you want to know how many people have COVID at the moment

Not a lot M0nica but my post to kali2 yesterday wasn't about how many people, across the EU have COVID at the moment* . I was quoting which country, *within the EU has the highest reported cases as at that date

I have actually clarified that 21.59 and 23.09 yesterday.

Lin52

Not sure what France is up to, seeing as in May this year they banned ALL but essential travel from the UK, with 10 days quarantine to boot. Only lifted on July 1st. Macron is such a child.

I don’t understand when Monsieur Macron is trying his best to keep the death rate down, (lower per million than the uk) and kept all schools open since last September, you call him a child. Look what happened in January when he lifted the barrier with the UK, he just doesn’t want a repeat.
What I don’t understand is, UK people want to travel all over the place and won’t have to isolate when arriving home if it is an amber place they visited, whereas UK citizens living in an amber country wanting to visit family, I haven’t visited my NHS daughter since February last year, 18 months, will have to pay for expensive tests and maybe isolate.

UK residents will now be able to come to France without quarantine. As double vaccinated UK nationals living in France, we will have to quarantine if we go to the UK, because the government will only recognise vaccines given by the NHS.
It is an utter disgrace. People are desperate to see their families.

Merci mamie.

anna7

To all these people saying holiday in this country I would like to know where. Believe me I have looked. Everywhere is booked solid. Even September is more or less fully booked and September is no good to people with children anyway. It also overpriced and so crowded if you do manage to find something. We have friends is Cornwall who are not venturing out until the holiday crowds have gone. Even beautiful Northumberland is fully booked.

Try the inland counties of England. I'm sure there are properties to rent. Everywhere has places of interest, museums, nice country walks along the canal and river banks. Maybe not what people are used to but a break is a break.

Mamie

UK residents will now be able to come to France without quarantine. As double vaccinated UK nationals living in France, we will have to quarantine if we go to the UK, because the government will only recognise vaccines given by the NHS.
It is an utter disgrace. People are desperate to see their families.

I agree Mamie why the discrimination?

anna7
We wanted to hire a treehouse. We were prepared to go anywhere in the uk. All booked !!!

I have no idea sodapop though I am tempted to say pure spite. I thought it might be about barcode compatability, but apparently EU borders will accept paper versions of NHS codes.

Well if the infection rates go any higher because of the new variation, we have been promise new legal laws being passed of the mask to be worn in the streets again.

Mamie

UK residents will now be able to come to France without quarantine. As double vaccinated UK nationals living in France, we will have to quarantine if we go to the UK, because the government will only recognise vaccines given by the NHS.
It is an utter disgrace. People are desperate to see their families.

Totally unfair and nonsensical. And I believe a political decision, anti-French/Macron posturing.

If you are well-off, it is of course possible. PCR test before and Locator forms, then Day 2 and day 8, with day 5 as optional extra, and for even more money, with same day results. About £450 on top of travel, EACH. !

It all becomes clear now - they had to find an excuse to stop tourism traffic to France!

The Chief exec of Dover harbour board announced a few days ago there was the potential for huge queues at Dover as the tourist season kicks off as they have allocated most of the lanes at Dover for freight. So why was France put on the quarantine list? To avoid long queues at Dover as Brexit farce would be exposed. 1000s of UK tourists who had booked holidays in France have cancelled as they cant afford to take time off to quarantine. So job done.

Kent County Council had already closed lanes on the M20 to hold freight heading the port in anticipation of delays but looks like the council jumped the gun. They wont be needed now.

Confirmed by Reuters.

www.reuters.com/world/uk/exclusive-brexit-disruption-may-return-with-summer-tourists-dover-chief-says-2021-07-09/

I think this is the reason. The AZ vaccine isn’t very effective against the Beta variant, which is becoming prevalent in France. If it becomes more dominant in the UK before the vaccine top up programme we are in big trouble again.
www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/06/30/coronavirus-vaccines-effective-variants/

All over Europe- but somehow France has been singled out.

We have huge problems now with goods coming into UK and being exported- so a massive rise in tourism trafiic would have caused severe issues.

There looks like the potential for a perfect storm in France unfortunately. You can click on each variant on the map on the front page of this report, and France is high prevalence for Beta, Delta and Gamma. Spain does look worse for Beta, but not Gamma as well. I’m not an epidemiologist but it can’t be good having high prevalence of all three strains all at once.
www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern

The Beta (formerly known as South African) variant is not becoming dominant in France Casdon. It is at 3% of cases in mainland France and shows no signs of rising. It is dominant in Réunion which is an island in the Indian ocean, near South Africa. France includes data from overseas territories in totals which brings beta to 10% overall.
It is a bit like basing a decision for the UK based on what is happening in the Falklands.
Delta is rising fast but cases are currently about ten times fewer than in the UK. I am not sure where your information on Gamma is coming from, but it also currently remains at a very low level.
There is no "perfect storm", but certainly no complacency about Delta either. The "pass sanitaire" (Covid passport) is being put in place whether people like it or not and areas of higher incidence are already subject to stricter measures.

I looked at the map produced by the EU itself Mamie, and linked that with the press reports. It does show France at the higher end of concern within the EU for all three variants, whereas in the UK virtually all the infections are the Delta variant. It’s worth looking at tha link I posted, as you can see it on there. I also picked up that it’s regional, with a concentration of the Beta variant around Paris.

With Covid numbers so high here, the last thing we need in the UK at the moment is the complication of other variants, which is why I made that assumption, which may not be the reason although reported as such, but is plausible.

Casdon I looked at the data in your link. In France Delta is hugely dominant too. In Ile de France Beta is at 3.4% and declining. You have to take into account that case numbers, though rising sharply (Delta) are still low - 75 per 100,000 overall so a percentage like that is a very small number of cases. There is zero evidence that Beta is spreading in mainland France. "Concern" is just awareness of what hypothetically could happen.
Obviously the UK would want arrivals from Réunion to quarantine, though I read an (unconfirmed) report yesterday that they are not.
If true, this just confirms the stupidity of this bizarre decision to inflict quarantine of people returning from mainland France.
You couldn't make it up.

Do you think it’s purely political reasons that have led the British Government to impose the quarantine restrictions on France then Mamie, or is there another reason if it’s not the variants issue?

Political I think, though perhaps also being unaware of inclusion of overseas territories in data. I think it comes in the same category as not accepting our vaccinations as valid because they were not done by the NHS.
Anyway, am now off to the beach to enjoy the sunshine. ?

Mamie

The Beta (formerly known as South African) variant is not becoming dominant in France Casdon. It is at 3% of cases in mainland France and shows no signs of rising. It is dominant in Réunion which is an island in the Indian ocean, near South Africa. France includes data from overseas territories in totals which brings beta to 10% overall.
It is a bit like basing a decision for the UK based on what is happening in the Falklands.
Delta is rising fast but cases are currently about ten times fewer than in the UK. I am not sure where your information on Gamma is coming from, but it also currently remains at a very low level.
There is no "perfect storm", but certainly no complacency about Delta either. The "pass sanitaire" (Covid passport) is being put in place whether people like it or not and areas of higher incidence are already subject to stricter measures.

Not what I read in the i Mamie

The beta variant accounts for one in ten new infections in France and the government is concerned that more cases could be spread across the UK by travellers arriving from France.

Professor John Edmunds, a scientist involved in advising the UK Government, said on Saturday that the Beta variant poses a “threat” to the UK, with evidence suggesting the strain may evade the effect of vaccines.

Speaking to BBC’s Radio 4 Today programme, he said: “The Beta variant has remained a threat throughout. It is probably less infectious than the Delta variant that is spreading here in the UK at the moment. Where it has an advantage is that it is better able to escape the immune response

He added: “As the population here becomes more and more immune, the conditions are right then for the Beta variant to get an advantage, so I can understand the concern