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ronib

But think of the damage to the planet and simply don’t travel? Am mystified by the double standards surrounding net zero…. So I think visas or visa free travel should be secondary to why do you feel the need to not save the planet? Or something like that …..

Brexit impacts travel plans.

That’s a hard one.

Will it stop people from travelling so much in the interests of the planet, or will it slightly inconvenience those who want to travel, despite the impact on the planet?

Mollygo assuming of course that travel does impact the planet etc …. If it does then I think travel should be rationed. After all what is more important - the planet burning out or a trip to Ibitha?

*Grantanow
Brexit: the gift that keeps on giving.*

I did chuckle when I read this. I’ve watched the fallout and repercussions over the years after Brexit, wondering if there is any going back and what it would entail and mean. Oh my. Well, at least our two countries are friends and strongest allies. Grateful for that.

ronib

Mollygo assuming of course that travel does impact the planet etc …. If it does then I think travel should be rationed. After all what is more important - the planet burning out or a trip to Ibitha?

You can’t possibly have missed all the messages on here about travel damaging the planet, whether it’s planes, trains or automobiles, or 😱😱😱 cruises.
Or whether it’s MPs, RF, celebrities or the public doing the travel.

Working on that basis, if a £7 for 3 years stops people damaging the planet . . . It’s a Brexit benefit.

You could similarly argue that fewer people using fuel because of the increase in prices and the removal of the WFA is the government working towards net zero.

Working on that basis, if a £7 for 3 years stops people damaging the planet . . . It’s a Brexit benefit.

Judging from the responses on this thread I don't think that £7 for 3 years is going to put anyone off travelling. They're all perfectly happy to pay it and whatever more it would cost them to go far further afield that Europe. 😂

ronib is just throwing in her usual red herring...

MaizieD
Judging from the responses on this thread I don't think that £7 for 3 years is going to put anyone off travelling. They're all perfectly happy to pay it and whatever more it would cost them to go far further afield that Europe. 😂

I think you’re right, and saving the planet by not travelling comes further down the list, even with the sudden £7 charge that we can blame Brexit for.
I wonder where all the other countries that will have now to have a visa to go to France, or pay a tourist tax in Edinburgh are putting the blame.

MaizieD your idea of a red herring doesn’t coincide with mine (no surprise there). Don’t you want to save the world?

For the OP and that “Do the British still think they have some right to be treated in some "special" category?” – yes, there’s an easy argument that we DO indeed deserve special privileges.

WE saved most if not all the rest of Europe (that’s not called Germany) from occupation and degrees of genocide, the conflicts were WW1 and WW2 as you apparently haven’t heard?!

In the latter, the outcome for huge chunks of many populations would have been bleak, depending on what combination of Germany and Russia ruled afterwards.

Substantial subsets of many countries would have been fodder for concentration camps, gas chambers, medical experiments and forced prostitution, so a great many folk owe US THEIR lives – their ancestors just wouldn’t have survived.

“But America saved everyone” I hear some cries. Yes, they were a huge help, of course, BUT they didn’t arrive until after the Japanese helpfully bombed Pearl Harbour, December 1941. But for OUR resistance, the war in Europe would have been over, apart from Hitler and Stalin deciding how best to proceed. And in that event, USA would have had very tough decisions, may well not have come to liberate us all, and it would have been immensely more difficult.

“Oh, no” I hear a squawk, “it was all so long ago” . . . well, that argument doesn’t fly. Those ancestors would have been getting killed off through the forties and fifties, well before America got round to any belated rescue mission, once those ancestors were gone, they’re gone, no life at all for the family trees that followed. Too hard to follow?

I think a few helpful moves with passports – and throw in trading rules too – would be a very reasonable price for the EU to pay in return?

Dr Watson good point.
I am still struggling with Ed Milliband’s approach to net zero regarding heating in particular and the idea of unfettered travel if it does contribute in a harmful way to climate change.