Feeling furious at this mornings BBC news.

Write to Points of View morethan2. I'm sure you won't be alone. Was it a politician? They seem not to engage brain before opening their mouth on many occasions

I hope that he will lead by example.
Of course, it was a he as even in this day and age the care would fall mainly to the women of the family although there must be exceptions to that.
And he would presumably be able to pay for care for his elderly relatives.

We did manage to look after our elderly parents in varying ways but it was a struggle, especially with children (not adults) still at home.
I do not want to see my children stretched to breaking point like a piece of elastic.

I think we will all end up in the workhouse, they say everything goes round in circles. If you cant afford to pay for your care i do believe this will happen the way things are going, but under a different guise!!!

Or, the way things are going, we could be euthanised

He might have been the chair of the care homes association (possibly!!) I have 2x dgc here so can't be sure.

I am just reading a book by Robert Peston called "WTF?", in which he is trying to analyse the reasons that the brexit vote went the way it did, and what the way forward is. He is clear that the reasons relate to the sort of pillock you watched on TV this morning - someone who pontificates with no real concept of what the main mass of the people actually go through or how we live - he sees the governments and bankers who have gone before as just such pillocks and himself feels ashamed that he had not grasped this.

The referendum was quite simply a chance for those people to give the complacent elite of bankers and politicians a bloody nose.

I think I would have been throwing things at the screen this morning too! Such ill-thought-out nonsense is not just from on-screen pontificators, but is in the mainstream of our policy-makers attitudes: austerity, Gove on education (what was good enough for me is good for all children) etc.

I have also just read "If only they did not speak English" by John Sopel (BBC US correspondent) and he postulates some very similar ideas in relation to the US - they have Trump because the ruling elites propped up bankers rather that hard-working normal members of the population.

It is a wider issue than just this one manon TV this morning.

Oh dear this old chestnut of an idea goes around and around usually about the same time as women should stay at home and not work, break macarons and wear make up everyday so there husbands gaze on something nice.
What someone really needs to get their head around are new models of care for older people who need and by no means all of them do many maintain their independence virtually to the end but this is always left out of the discussion. The application of various health technologies is in its infancy in care facilities, the buildings are unsuitable and the model of care is dated and unsuited to the coming older generation (us). Cant really see myself playing organised bingo and joining in a sing a long.

So many MP's live gilded lives so far removed from the average working person.
I agree with Teetime the whole model of care and funding needs to be changed in the light of our changing world

Gone are the days when families lived within walking distance of each other and a lot of women were the primary carer, cooking, shopping, cleaning, washing etc for their elders even for "aunty May" who wasn't related but just lived next door all the years they did. We run up and down the motorways to care for our relations and it's taking a real strain on us financially as well as in other ways (car getting worn as it was just bought as a litte run around) YES agree they live in totally different world and the care system needs to be overhauled. We're looking out for an elderly gent as he has no family and our details ended up as the ones to contact about his welfare so they can free up the hospital bed on more than one occassion.

He obviously thinks we live in times where the man worked and earned enough to keep the little woman at home caring for him, the children and later their own parents and In-Laws. He will have no concept of giving up his well paid job to become a Carer existing on benefits.

In fact his rose-coloured view of the past only ever existed for the better off. Yes I knew many instances where Granny lived with their family, doing the childminding and household chores while both DS and DD worked. There also, post war, seemed to be a plenitude of unmarried/widowed DDs who remained in the family home and took care of the 'oldies'. Families tended to be larger and all lived close by so could all pitch in and help.

Now 2 salaries/wages are required to run a household, staff are at their employers beck and call and work long hours, mortgages and childcare are extortionate, people seldom live in the same area as their parents.

However the biggest change is that PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER. All of my DGP died suddenly in their late 60s or early 70's of strokes/heart attacks without having been very ill for a long time. The next generation 4X Parents + 2 x Maiden Aunts and later an Uncle. lived into their 80/90s and all needed varying amounts of care from us simultaneously and were in and out of hospital. With DH being an only child and me having only one sister, (all working full time+) it was impossible to meet all their needs adequately so 2 spent their last years in residential care and another 3 had daily home helps while we spent evenings and weekends shopping for them and visiting.

Perhaps these people in their 50's, whose parents are still ticking along nicely without needing assistance will suddenly have a change of opinion when they are brought face to face with the reality of 24/7 caring and realise that the cost of professional care e,g a few years of paying for a care home will see their expected inheritance disappear.

Who is this person morethan2 - do you have a link please?

I’m really sorry even if I had his name I couldn’t post a link, I wouldn’t know how.

Glad I'm not the only one morethan2

You can watch the programme on BBC iPLayer.

We are already the Sandwich generation.

Our children's generation are already struggling with buying their own home many are paying high rents that are rising yearly.
High cost of child care means that grandparents are providing child care.

Our generation are already helping to care for elderly parents.

Children are boomeranging back home.
Rents too high or university debt etcetera.

So please can I have nice big house.
Doubles x2_ for my children and partners.
3 Singles for DGC.
Single for mother in law (93with dementia)

Oh and a double for DH and I.
Plus various pets and goldfish

And mother in law requires a downstairs toilet and walk in shower.
Also wheel chair ramp and doors wide enough to accommodate wheelchair.

I can't find it Luckygirl

I'm trying too.
Was it a segment during Breakfast on bbc1?

Paul Horrocks, former president of UK Society of Editors, seems to be very involved with NHS and was discussing the suggestion that, although dementia sufferers probably need specialist care, the majority of those who need care could be at home being looked after by families. He referred to the fact that this is far more common in other countries/cultures but did not address any of the issues raised by morethan.
I found it on Catchup, bbc breakfast@ approx 07.20.

It was Paul Horrocks - former president of the UK Society of Editors. He was chair of NHS Bury at one point. Find the clip here on BBC Breakfast about 1 hour 20 minutes in. bbc.in/2KppoiL

Thank you mcem and LiltingLyrics

I didn't see the item but, having read up on Paul Horrocks, I am not surprised about the views he has expressed.

When he was President of the UK Society of Editors, the Society put out a statement, following the phone hacking scandal, saying that the press had been unfairly targeted and were in fact victims!

His professional profile includes the information "wide experience of change management and behaviour change campaigns aimed at the public". In order to change people's behaviour it is necessary to change their attitudes. So if you encourage people to think that society as a whole is not responsible for the care of elderly people but that it is the sole responsibility of their relatives, you pave the way for the government to wash its hands of the elder care issue - or at least minimise it.

No idea of life today. Just magicup families who have accommodation,funds and of course the time and don't forget knowledge of how to look after elderly. The UK needs to look to the Netherlands on how to care for elderly especially with dementia. There are little "village type settings where elderly go about freely doing what they can but are secure, have all their needs met but not in a care home building. Of course this would mean spending money by Government but eventually the costs would reduce as less staff will be required, and strangely the people improve!. To go on, I keep thinking all of this "living longer" is something that should have been anticipated. Why was the NHS created, to improve health so of course there are more elderly now. Governments just fail to address this factor and treat it as it should never have happened. No foresight or planning by Governments. Done for the day!!!

Families should take more of a responsibility for their parents (at least). Taking them into their homes does not mean they have to give up work necessarily.

I don’t think this proposal should be lambasted as ALL options need to be explored. It’s just too easy for folks these days to expect the State to pick up the bill, the responsibility and not expect to pay.

We live in a ‘Bloody Nanny State’ I keep hearing people moan ? oh, but they’re so willing to call in Nanny to give her services when it doesn’t suit them.....and for free.

I looked after my late grandma in her own home for the last 10 years of her life ( she died just over 2 years ago aged 99) . At the same time I looked after my 3 grandchildren 2-3 days and nights per week to enable their parents to work . Additionally I helped look after my then very poorly mum ( bone cancer and kidney failure) who has also passed away . I work 32 hours a week with no pension until I am 67 + . I now care for my elderly father and am supporting my daughter, her partner and their new baby through the worst of times .

When do these politicians expect that I (and people like me ) will have a life of our own? I wonder .