WATCHING ...Harry & Meghan Netflix

If there’s to be freedom for people (anybody) to tell their story as they see it, then there’s to be freedom for other people to comment on what they’ve said.

That’s freedom. As Galaxy says the alternative is worse.

Perhaps the solution is for people to exercise judgment and be aware of their own prejudices and irrational responses.

No, I don’t know how we achieve that🤔

Me too

They haven't brought it on themselves Chestnut. Its perfectly allowable to make a documentary about yourself and not to have the press "slaughter" you for it.
'Allowable'? They knew exactly how the press would react to this series. No matter what we think of the press we all know what they are like. So of course they have brought it on themselves.

FannyCornforth

Me too

Sorry! Meaning I agree with Galaxy and Gravy re freedom of the press

volver

I'm still flummoxed by the people who say there's nothing new to say, why don't they just keep quiet etc.

Then get up and watch a TV program at 8am, pre-order Harry's book from the library and know all the minute details of M&H 's lives.

It's a mystery to me.

Well volver, here I am on this thread so I fit your description!
However, I won’t be watching the programme because Carol Midgely, from the Times, did it for me.
Thank you Carol, would you read the book for me now?

FannyCornforth

FannyCornforth

Me too

Sorry! Meaning I agree with Galaxy and Gravy re freedom of the press

In principle I do too, but there must be limits to that freedom. Articles which are overtly or covertly racist or are victimising individuals should not be allowed.

Galaxy

I am not keen on blanket condemnation of the press to be honest, and I would be very cautious in terms of limiting press freedom. I think we have to put up with those excesses because the alternative (controlling the press) is much worse.

Indeed - which is why I have presented it as a dilemma.

Curbing press freedom would be wrong, but the free-for-all we have now is unacceptable too. Crucifying individuals and paying people to dig up dirt on them cannot be something we wish to see.

Anything that breaks a law shouldn’t be allowed and there is legal redress if it does.

But opinion has to be free to be expressed.

If dirt exists who decides when it should be hidden?

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, apologies if so. Some MP wants to bring in a bill to strip them of there titles. Quite agree what have they ever done for Sussex?

We probably need a separate thread to debate this.

Yammy

volver

Perhaps we should form a clique GagaJo. All us stalkers together. You can join the one Lucca and I formed.

(I hesitated to type that because someone somewhere will take it literally.)

You sound as though you are trying to form a," Just Like Meghan Markle ", fan club and emulate her behaviour.
Let's all get at people and then pretend they were doing it to us first. Let's stalk and pretend we're not. You hesitate to type,I must have missed that one.
How old are you, all playground stuff do you really think you are so important that we wait for your posts? We've all got a life and better things to do. Haven't you noticed the streams where your posts are have gradually been ignored by a lot of people? What a sad life.

Horrible. Just horrible.

Stalking ??

And the classic nasty GN “we’ve all got a life and better things to do”.

As it happens I can barely walk at the moment .

You seem totally unable to hear anybody say they are NOT fans of m and H . I’m not as I’ve said so often. I just query the assertions/criticisms which are not backed up.m

overthehill

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, apologies if so. Some MP wants to bring in a bill to strip them of there titles. Quite agree what have they ever done for Sussex?

It is quite ironic, given their dislike of Royal life to want to go on promoting themselves as The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

The Press actually know far more about the people and incidents they are following than they publish, because of their proximity to them, plus their research plus backstairs gossip, true but difficult to prove. Social media is far more dangerous but much more difficult to regulate.
Meghan sued the press and won, even though she was proved to have 'misremembered, ' details therefore the press will pursue her. She is not called to account for her many and varied 'inaccuracies'; they are.

Well said, Lucca (Fri 09-Dec-22 10:18:57).
These posts go on for pages (I display mine 100 posts at a time) so there are obviously a lot of us without better things to do! On the other hand, those who don't get back to a post for a while then cause excitement because they've posted and run. Like you, I am not particularly an H&M fan but there are enough people out there to pick out the things that irritate me and I do hate to see people treated badly because of their race or culture.

I don't have Netflix but have been thinking of treating myself in the new year, especially if they have a special deal.

Do Netflix's own things stay on Netflix for ever?

My take on H&M:
* I was very glad that Harry had found someone that made him happy, and that she was outside the heretofore normal Royal mould.
* I think he clung to her like a drowning man to a life belt. We all respond to dreadful events differently, so the fact that William appears to have "coped better" with their mother's death, with media pressure etc is completely irrelevant. Harry's mental health is Harry's mental health.
* I think he saw an opportunity to escape and seized it. Good luck to him.
* I've never been able to understand why "people" have always blamed Meghan for their apparently toxic relationships with their families.

From others' reports of The Interview and now The Documentary, they sound a right pair of ticks; but maybe they're damaged individuals doing the best they can but with dreadful advisors.

I think I need to watch for myself.

Chestnut

^They haven't brought it on themselves Chestnut. Its perfectly allowable to make a documentary about yourself and not to have the press "slaughter" you for it.^
'Allowable'? They knew exactly how the press would react to this series. No matter what we think of the press we all know what they are like. So of course they have brought it on themselves.

Nobody brings racism and bullying on themselves.

Full stop.

overthehill

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, apologies if so. Some MP wants to bring in a bill to strip them of there titles. Quite agree what have they ever done for Sussex?

What has Edward ever done for Forfar? Or "Wessex", come to that?

What has Andrew done for Inverness?

Best get rid of all the titles then.

Harry saw an opportunity to escape and seized it, and I think many people genuinely believed him and wished them well.

But then they followed it with a series of attacks against his family, and are continuing to do so, using their royal connections as their means of making money.

That is what annoys so many people.

I'm chuckling at Mishal Husseins response to Megan's comments about their engagement interview that she conducted.Apparently it was 'an orchestrated reality show ' (a bit ironic as surely that's what this docuseries is?) and they weren't allowed to tell their story.MH has said I was asked to do an interview. I did an interview. Recollections may vary .Classy !

A very substantial amount of wealth which most young people could only dream of.
And yes, they can and do support worthy causes.

Meghan was doing this well before she met Harry.
She has always been a supporter of women's and girls' rights since she was young.

Harry is a supporter of worthy charities, some very close to his heart.

Harry saw an opportunity to escape and seized it
I believe that too and who can blame him but why not leave it all behind and forge a new life, free from the shackles of royalty?

Is it the media, the system or his family which is making him angry? Possibly all three but it's sad that insinuations about family members are made and cannot be refuted.

Petera

Chestnut

icanhandthemback There was no criticism of the RF in the first three episodes beyond the mention of unintentional bias when it comes to racism.

Well who was Meghan referring to when she says *'they were out to destroy me'?*

Probably Gransnet

You don't look at Mumsnet then? 😲

Lucca

Yammy

volver

Perhaps we should form a clique GagaJo. All us stalkers together. You can join the one Lucca and I formed.

(I hesitated to type that because someone somewhere will take it literally.)

You sound as though you are trying to form a," Just Like Meghan Markle ", fan club and emulate her behaviour.
Let's all get at people and then pretend they were doing it to us first. Let's stalk and pretend we're not. You hesitate to type,I must have missed that one.
How old are you, all playground stuff do you really think you are so important that we wait for your posts? We've all got a life and better things to do. Haven't you noticed the streams where your posts are have gradually been ignored by a lot of people? What a sad life.

Horrible. Just horrible.

Stalking ??

And the classic nasty GN “we’ve all got a life and better things to do”.

As it happens I can barely walk at the moment .

You seem totally unable to hear anybody say they are NOT fans of m and H . I’m not as I’ve said so often. I just query the assertions/criticisms which are not backed up.m

Same here Lucca. I don't love 'em, I don't loath 'em. I'm mostly indifferent. But I am bemused and shocked at the bile that pours out of the mouths of GN members about them. And like the woman insulted by Lady Wotsit at the palace, ultimately, because MM is not white. A whole range of other reasons on top of that too, but at the very root, racism.

The amount of hatred people can have for someone they don't know and have never met astounds me.

I might watch the series. I might not. I suspect it'll bore me. But I read the infamous Diana book ,one about the Duke of Windsor and will probably read Spare, so may well give the Netflix series a go too.

Sorry to hear about your mobility issues though. Is there a chance it will improve, or is it thought to be permanent, given your ongoing illness?

volver

Chestnut

They haven't brought it on themselves Chestnut. Its perfectly allowable to make a documentary about yourself and not to have the press "slaughter" you for it.
'Allowable'? They knew exactly how the press would react to this series. No matter what we think of the press we all know what they are like. So of course they have brought it on themselves.

Nobody brings racism and bullying on themselves.

Full stop.

Quite. Classic victim blaming.

It was interesting to hear the input from the historian David Olusoga on the documentary. A discussion about colonialism and it's aftermath on British society. It showed the sculptures and art which is displayed in royal palaces which depict black slaves in chains. Surely these should be removed as slavery was one of the greatest crimes in humanity. All the time they are displayed then I feel there is an impact on people's perceptions of black community as being inferior. This was apparent in Bristol when a statue of the slave trader Colston was thrown into the harbour and all the establishments removed his name.
Why are they still on display in royal households ?
Then the dreadful racism in the tabloids suggesting Meghan coming from Compton and affecting the royal blood line. Why wasn't that stopped by the royal media coordinator ? Prince William brought about an injunction against the press when they tried taking photos of Kate on honeymoon. Why did the abuse of Meghan continue unchecked ?