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Channel 4 CHris Packham Is it time to break the law?

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Franbern Thu 21-Sept-23 15:27:00

Anyone else watch this?. Wednesday 20th September, at 9.00 pm for Catch up.

Chris Packham, searching his own conscience as to what he is doing to try to prevent the catastrophe that is coming due to human activity causing climate change.

I really felt for the desperation of the young students, putting their own peronal futures on the line for th sake of this cause.

Earlier this summer one of my 13 year old g.chldrn wrote desperate poem about the world burning and nobody listening or doing anything. In five or six years time
she could well be one of these activists. People seem to get so upset when they are caused a slight delay in their journeys, do wonder how they will feel when the water is actually lapping around their knees!!!

Do think it was tremendously brave of Chris Packham, to make this programme. My estimation of him has risen enormously,

henetha Thu 21-Sept-23 15:33:30

He was impressive, wasn't he. I've long been a fan of his.
What a difficult decision to make, for us all really. I can see both sides of the argument. The state of our planet is more important than any political problems right now.
Shall I be breaking the law? I doubt it. But I must do something.

westendgirl Thu 21-Sept-23 15:34:17

I saw the programme and I do agree with you.

Freya5 Thu 21-Sept-23 22:29:57

Franbern

Anyone else watch this?. Wednesday 20th September, at 9.00 pm for Catch up.

Chris Packham, searching his own conscience as to what he is doing to try to prevent the catastrophe that is coming due to human activity causing climate change.

I really felt for the desperation of the young students, putting their own peronal futures on the line for th sake of this cause.

Earlier this summer one of my 13 year old g.chldrn wrote desperate poem about the world burning and nobody listening or doing anything. In five or six years time
she could well be one of these activists. People seem to get so upset when they are caused a slight delay in their journeys, do wonder how they will feel when the water is actually lapping around their knees!!!

Do think it was tremendously brave of Chris Packham, to make this programme. My estimation of him has risen enormously,

I wonder how many have died, after ambulances are stopped on their way to hospital. Packham is inciting violence,but wasn't very happy when it was directed at him. What a hypocrite.

Franbern Fri 22-Sept-23 08:43:54

freya just for you to get facts correct. The Slow marchers ALWAYS allow publi transport (buses), and Emergency Vehicles to pass them. NOBODY has died due to these demonstrations. However, millions will die due to to climate change.

The impression he gave me was that he was more 'sad' than anything else at the rather silly, very nasty things on twitter. Fortunate he is not female, as those horrible peopl wold have made even worse comments!!!

At no point did he incite violence.

Most big changes to society have come about due to people taking effecfive action, sometimes een violent actions. Ghandi may have 'sat' his way to his country's freedom, but the Chartists had to march and take direct action, Trade Unions did not get their recognition via 'lobbying'. THe vote for Women was fought for through both violent and non-violent actions (most of the violent ones being on the part of The State).

Cannot see how anyone could call Chris Packham any sort of Hypocrite - exactly the opposite to me.

henetha Fri 22-Sept-23 11:10:58

CP is absolutely not a hypocrite. He's refreshingly honest.

Sparklefizz Fri 22-Sept-23 11:40:23

Franbern The Slow marchers ALWAYS allow public transport (buses), and Emergency Vehicles to pass them.

I'm not sure this is true.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 22-Sept-23 11:42:13

Sparklefizz

Franbern The Slow marchers ALWAYS allow public transport (buses), and Emergency Vehicles to pass them.

I'm not sure this is true.

It is - don’t believe the myths put out.

BlueBelle Fri 22-Sept-23 12:07:46

Chris Packham would not know how to be a hypocrite Freya he’s the absolute opposite
I didn’t see the programme but I have a lot of time for Packham and normally agree with his views, whereas I rarely seem to agree with your s Freya so I guess that’s the full story
I don’t know how I would break the law to make a point but
I ve certainly been on marches in the past and could again
People seem very unbothered about the impending doom of the world as at the moment it doesn’t affect them

pascal30 Fri 22-Sept-23 19:56:44

BlueBelle

Chris Packham would not know how to be a hypocrite Freya he’s the absolute opposite
I didn’t see the programme but I have a lot of time for Packham and normally agree with his views, whereas I rarely seem to agree with your s Freya so I guess that’s the full story
I don’t know how I would break the law to make a point but
I ve certainly been on marches in the past and could again
People seem very unbothered about the impending doom of the world as at the moment it doesn’t affect them

completely agree with you Bluebelle about Chris Packham, and sadly about people being unbothered.. just sleepwalking into disaster

Urmstongran Fri 22-Sept-23 20:00:11

He irritates the life out of me. I can’t bear to listen to his hyperbolic rants.

Katie59 Fri 22-Sept-23 20:47:59

Packham has always been a rabble rouser, of course he gets attention he has an extreme opinion on everything, if all his opinions became reality we would all be starving in penury.

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 20:49:14

Urmstongran

He irritates the life out of me. I can’t bear to listen to his hyperbolic rants.

I really like him, especially his interactions with his step-daughter!

However, I haven't watched this yet, the last programme I saw was his series called Earth, which I can recommend.

Urmstongran Fri 22-Sept-23 21:04:45

From yesterday’s Telegraph:

“Packham was not here to ask whether climate change activists should do their thing, but to debate what that thing should be. Just Stop Oil stunts aren’t likely to change government policy or garner much public sympathy, Packham said. Watching two gauche kids throw paint at the doors of the Policy Exchange in front of an audience of no one, then wait meekly to be arrested, he spoke kindly of them but described it as “somewhat childish vandalism”. Observing a slow march that held up traffic, he said that inconveniencing drivers was “absolutely meaningless” in a country where roadworks and traffic measures do that anyway.

So off he went to Sweden to meet Andreas Malm, who has written a book called How to Blow Up a Pipeline. He agreed that disrupting the lives of ordinary people in low-level ways was not helpful, and suggested more aggressive forms of protest. Is Packham dangerous or naive, using his platform to suggest the possibility of violent action?

He’s certainly ignoring the BBC’s directive that its stars – he has been the face of Springwatch for years – should be cautious about expressing political opinions. There was a desperation to him that felt slightly uncomfortable to watch.

Some of it was carefully framed for the cameras – a shot of him with head in hands, despairing after an interview with Lord Lilley, who challenged his claims about rising global temperatures. Elsewhere he spoke of an overwhelming sense of guilt at failing to conserve the environment; his partner spoke of him feeling obligated to make a difference to the planet and “with obligation often comes personal sacrifice and pain and suffering, but what’s the alternative? It consumes him”.

That sounds unhealthy. The programme ended with Packham saying that he now believed radical protest to be “the ethically responsible thing to do”. He offered no insight into what his next move might be; he didn’t seem very enthusiastic about Hallam’s suggestion that Packham martyr himself for the cause by doing something serious enough to go to prison. But watch this space.”

Callistemon21 Fri 22-Sept-23 21:25:05

But watch this space

I must watch the programme first

Visgir1 Fri 22-Sept-23 21:51:01

Urmstongran

He irritates the life out of me. I can’t bear to listen to his hyperbolic rants.

I'm with you on this Urm..
He's an instant turn off in our Household.

Franbern Sat 23-Sept-23 08:45:07

For me, the saddest ans most worrying part of this programme was th international conference, which had David Attenborough giving a welcoming speech (on screen) urging thm to action. All Applauded. However, Chris then told us that over the time of the conference, Fossil Fuel lobbyists got smuggled in to speak to and whisper in the ears, etc of the delgates so as th COnference went on, less and less of what they had applauded Attenborough for was remembered and acted on.

Profit now.....damn the future.

MerylStreep Sat 23-Sept-23 08:56:00

So it’s ok for Gary Lineker to spout his political views but not Chris Packham, according to the bbc. 🤔

Jaxjacky Sat 23-Sept-23 09:53:16

I’m with you Visgirl and Urmstongran a no, no in this house too.

Bodach Sat 23-Sept-23 10:01:56

Can't stand his brand of sanctimonious drivel..

maddyone Sat 23-Sept-23 10:07:04

Sparklefizz

Franbern The Slow marchers ALWAYS allow public transport (buses), and Emergency Vehicles to pass them.

I'm not sure this is true.

Well Just Stop Oil certainly don’t. All the traffic is stopped. People were pleading with them to let them through because they had hospital appointments, or were trying to get to their loved ones in hospital. It all fell on stony ground. Emergency vehicles were not allowed through.
This is not the way to get the public on side.
I didn’t see the programme so I can’t comment on it.

eazybee Sat 23-Sept-23 10:14:35

Because of his autism, Chris Packham finds it difficult to tolerate any one else's point of view other than his own. Acceptable in private life, but as a broadcaster, particularly for the BBC, he should remain impartial.
Actually, I don't consider him a good presenter; he never knows when to change course, and no awareness of listeners' boredom thresholds.
And no , it is not acceptable for Gary Lineker to promote his person political views, but he is a footballer awarded (not earning) obscene amounts of money, therefore apparently untouchable.

maddyone Sat 23-Sept-23 10:15:23

I tend to avoid watching programmes such as these, there’s enough on the news to keep me informed about what’s happening re the environment and that’s depressing enough, without listening to someone on their particular soapbox trying to frighten us all. Since he’s worked for the BBC and is now working apparently for Channel 4 I think he’s in a very privileged position and has been given a slot to make his views known.
Fine if you want to watch, I’ll definitely give it a miss.

Katie59 Sat 23-Sept-23 10:28:25

eazybee

Because of his autism, Chris Packham finds it difficult to tolerate any one else's point of view other than his own. Acceptable in private life, but as a broadcaster, particularly for the BBC, he should remain impartial.
Actually, I don't consider him a good presenter; he never knows when to change course, and no awareness of listeners' boredom thresholds.
And no , it is not acceptable for Gary Lineker to promote his person political views, but he is a footballer awarded (not earning) obscene amounts of money, therefore apparently untouchable.

That explains a lot.

Franbern Sat 23-Sept-23 14:59:58

maddyone

I tend to avoid watching programmes such as these, there’s enough on the news to keep me informed about what’s happening re the environment and that’s depressing enough, without listening to someone on their particular soapbox trying to frighten us all. Since he’s worked for the BBC and is now working apparently for Channel 4 I think he’s in a very privileged position and has been given a slot to make his views known.
Fine if you want to watch, I’ll definitely give it a miss.

Maddyone* In ths programme, Chris Packham was NOT trying to frighten anyone. He was debating his own view as whether or not he, personally, should be more active in protests .