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The Reckoning - Savile

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Primrose53 Mon 09-Oct-23 22:49:14

I did say I wouldn’t watch this but there wasn’t much else on and I was too lazy to turn over!

I really dislike Steve Coogan but after just a few mins it was really like watching Savile. Obviously the money is what has attracted him to play the part.

I really think there is nothing new to be added to this dreadful story so wonder why the BBC have decided to run this. Maybe in an attempt to clear themselves of any blame but we all know they stood by and did nothing.

Ilovecheese Tue 10-Oct-23 14:44:25

I knew something and warned my children and younger relatives against him.
The girl that I knew about was not believed.
This culture of disbelief towards young women continues to this day.

Philippa111 Tue 10-Oct-23 14:54:54

I think it is really important to call out these creepy criminals but what is it that people want to watch, never mind make, programmes about the disgusting behaviour and abuse of power by sleazy celebrities?

We all know what he did so do we really have to go through it all over again.

Chestnut Tue 10-Oct-23 16:36:05

Philippa111

I think it is really important to call out these creepy criminals but what is it that people want to watch, never mind make, programmes about the disgusting behaviour and abuse of power by sleazy celebrities?

We all know what he did so do we really have to go through it all over again.

We've already said....not everyone knows what he did if they are young now and certainly won't in the future. So they are not 'going through it all over again'. The story needs to be told, although our age group might not want to hear it again.

Doodledog Tue 10-Oct-23 16:40:38

I think people often don't read the thread, Chestnut grin.

Someone in their 20s now would have been too young to follow the case, but they will be decision-makers of the future, so they need to understand how these things can happen.

Clearly lessons haven't been learnt though, or we wouldn't have the scandals we do now. Fame gives people power, and many people will defend a famous person just because they are famous.

Anniebach Tue 10-Oct-23 17:01:16

The drama starts with ‘some names have been changed and some characters and scenes created for dramatic effect’

Joseann Tue 10-Oct-23 17:07:22

Just a little correction for those here writing Saville. His name was Savile because he is vile.

Caravansera Tue 10-Oct-23 17:39:33

Anniebach

The drama starts with ‘some names have been changed and some characters and scenes created for dramatic effect’

Yes, and that's why I would urge people to watch the factual Netflix documentary if they can. As I said upthread, I didn't watch more than a few minutes of The Reckoning before switching off but I am mindful of what Phil Harrison wrote in The Guardian about the Netflix series:

As the film emphasises, the burying of Meirion Jones and Liz MacKean’s initial Savile exposé is one of the most shameful episodes in the BBC’s history.

Lucy Mangan wrote in the The Guardian:

Journalist Meirion Jones eventually found victims willing to testify, despite their enduring vulnerability, but his Newsnight investigation into the by-then late Savile’s rape and abuse of countless children and adults was infamously pulled at the last minute, apparently to save the BBC embarrassment.

I don't know to what extent The Reckoning deals with the BBC failures. Again, Lucy Mangan writes:

A lot of emphasis is given to a couple of fairly inconsequential investigations into his conduct there. But a lot more emphasis is given to the failures of NHS staff to protect their patients at the various hospitals Savile was allowed unfettered access to, to editors caving in to pressures to shut down a Fleet Street exposé, and the many other failings by individuals and institutions (sometimes indistinguishable – such as when Thatcher, whom we see charmed by Savile at Chequers, gave him the knighthood he longed for) that turned a blind eye to the red flags he scattered with an increasingly lavish and contemptuous hand.

To what extent is the BBC attempting to deflect blame?

Sparklefizz Tue 10-Oct-23 17:54:54

I have watched the first episode to see what everyone is talking about, but I just can't watch any more. I know what he did, of course, but it's just so creepy and horrible and it's making me very angry. The world is such an awful place at the moment ... I need something more escapist and uplifting.

Thisismyname1953 Tue 10-Oct-23 17:59:07

I was a teenager in the 1960’s and used to love radio Caroline and top of the pops but I always thought that he was creepy , mainly because he was the same age as my dad ! This meant to me that he was an old man and seriously un-cool .
I much preferred Tony Blackburn !

mamaa Tue 10-Oct-23 22:42:45

Am halfway through ep 2- I’m mid 60’s now so JS was always on the tv as I was growing up. I remember my mum commenting that he was ‘strange’ and he always seemed creepy to me, but tv shows like Jim’ll Fixit, on prime time Saturday evening tv were very popular and discussed at school very innocently each following Monday. In plain sight indeed…

Chestnut Wed 11-Oct-23 00:29:03

I decided to watch it and was astounded to see the lavish funeral at the beginning. I'm not sure I ever saw that at the time. He got away with it for the funeral and burial, but he never kept his dignity after that. The gravestone was removed, and his plaque was defaced, probably gone now.

Elrel Wed 11-Oct-23 00:39:56

In the later 1980s Sovile visited Jersey and there were many rumours. People said ‘sooner or later someone will fix it for Jim’. Sadly it was much later.
Elsewhere I worked in a church school where the local vicar spoke proudly of his good friend Rolf Harris. When in UK Harris had visited the school.
As previous posters have said ‘trust your instincts’.

BlueBelle Wed 11-Oct-23 04:14:59

I wonder what relationship he had with his siblings they must be in a terribly difficult situation
He always called his mum ‘The duchess’ didn’t he ? He seemed to have a complex relationship with her Was there a father around
I never really thought of him as creepy I thought he was eccentric but saw all the ‘good’ he was doing and that overrode his strangeness for me Only ever saw him on ‘Jim ll fix it’ never really connected in any other way

I am so angry and annoyed he wasn’t outed before he died
I didn’t know a child had committed suicide so you do still learn things from different programmes

biglouis Wed 11-Oct-23 06:00:39

I just watched the first two episodes on BBC player and found it diffcult to believe I was not watching Saville himself. A brilliant portryal.

Sparklefizz Wed 11-Oct-23 07:49:20

There's talk of Steve Coogan being awarded a BAFTA for his portrayal of Savile. He has got the voice spot on from my memory of Savile.

Doodledog Wed 11-Oct-23 09:58:13

I think he deserves an award. His performance was frighteningly believable.

Tenko Wed 11-Oct-23 10:28:54

I watched the first 2 episodes and yes it’s uncomfortable viewing but it’s meant to be and yes those of a certain generation know what he did . But I think it’s important to tell the story . He manipulated and conned a nation including the RF , politicians and religious leaders. There were staff at the hospitals and bbc who had their concerns but were ignored. So it’s important to make sure it doesn’t happen again with future generations.
Obviously there will always be famous powerful men who use their power and fame to manipulate and abuse and hopefully future victims will know they will be listened to.

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 11-Oct-23 12:32:21

I watched the Netflix programme and that was enough.

JacquiOh Wed 11-Oct-23 12:38:00

Agree 100% Dickens. I met him in the early days of a music program and he had this sleaze about him. Can't put a finger on it. Decades later when everything became plain, I commented on this to a friend who had worked in a hospital he visited. Her take on it was that people knew, but wanted the money he raised.
Still can't credit that.

TerriBull Wed 11-Oct-23 12:55:40

I do remember the Louis Theroux interview with him before he died, when the subject of rumours was brought up, he was emphatic in his response, something along the lines of "I know they're not true" how he had everyone duped even though so many in positions within the BBC and hospitals he visited knew full well he was culpable of abusing young people, it really was a travesty. The knighthood, they way he was eulogised until the lid was finely lifted. Such an unsavoury looking man as well, the horrible hair and all those ghastly gold rings yuk!

LovelyLady Wed 11-Oct-23 12:58:36

We watched the Reckoning and thought Steve Coogan was brilliant in the programme. It takes much skill to play someone like Savile. Of course the story is familiar, but what brilliant acting from the cast. It left me feeling sad but I’ll watch all the episodes. Life was cruel for some of these youngsters.
The Catholic Church was hoodwinked like the rest of society. I can’t understand why those who were aware of the abuse and inappropriate behaviour either did nothing or hid behind the ‘organisation needs the money’
The entire cast were superb.

lilydily9 Wed 11-Oct-23 13:22:54

The Reckoning is not for me. I feel for all his vulnerable victims. As a teenager, watching him on Top of the Pops, I always found him creepy. My instincts weren't wrong.

Buttonjugs Wed 11-Oct-23 13:32:30

Sassanach512

It was interesting to see that even his mother sensed a darkness in him and couldn't bring herself to feel any love for him. Didn't she say to the priest in the confessional that he'd been her seventh child and she hadn't wanted him when he was born. Strangely though, he seems to have cared a lot for her.

Isn’t that typical of an abusive relationship with a parent? I’m a firm believer that offending behaviour, particularly against children, stems from their own abuse. Not that I think it excuses it at all. But often children who are abused love the abusive parent more. It’s a sad reality. It could have been neglect, especially if she didn’t love him. That would have made him crave her love and find affection elsewhere. But lots of people have awful childhoods and don’t go on to abuse. He was a monster.

Fae1 Wed 11-Oct-23 13:33:17

Steve Coogan is a very fine actor and has tackled other difficult roles equally well. Both the Reckoning and Philomena, despite being uncomfortable viewing, demonstrate the evil that is too often kept hidden within so called 'respectable' institutions. Evil prevails when good men (and women) do nothing to stop it. Steve Coogan's depiction of Savile is uncanny. So creepy - I even found myself reading between the lines re. Savile's relationship with his mother. Poor soul - she couldn't / wouldn't testify against him in any case.

Oreo Wed 11-Oct-23 13:34:26

I agree LovelyLady
I didn’t know that Savile adopted a boy, I don’t think it was a legal adoption tho.He may have been joking in the programme of course, and the man was just a partner in the DJ business?
The Duchess was a strange one as well.