"Upskirting What the hell is that all about. ???" I was a comely young woman in the 1970s and men trying to look up your mini-skirt when they sat opposite on you on the train was a common thing. They just didn't have mobiles/cameras then to record what they saw - which was actually not very much when you compare it to what's on tv quite legally these days. I think it's partly those double standards which lie at the heart of the current debate about men's behaviour. I'll be shouted down for this but I do think women have to accept a certain amount of responsibility for the way they're perceived. (This is a general comment, by the way, not an opinion on the Gregg Wallace case, about which I know zilch except that some women have pointed a finger at him.) In the 70s I wore see-through blouses, mini-skirts, hot-pants, jumpsuits split from neck to navel, etc, and yet I got indignant if a man treated me like a cheap & easy conquest! Girls work very hard at achieving their overall "look", all the while paying scant regard to what kinds of male reaction that "look" can inspire. We can't make ourselves look like hot stuff and at the same time expect every man on earth to know that we aren't up for casual grabs. We can't effectively argue that "men ought to behave better" when we present an image which encourages some of them to behave in a less than gentlemanly manner. You don't have to dress like a nun, you just have to refrain from exposing your bits and wiggling your rear end as you teeter along on "f-me" heels. I heard a comedian talking about girls who go "out on the razz" at weekends dressed like ladies of the night. "It must be really annoying for the real street-walkers, trying to make a living when there are so many girls out doing it for nothing," was one of his lines, followed by, "Of course, it's hard for the men, too, not knowing which are which." He gave me food for thought, anyway, as does the current media trend for showcasing women dressed (or should I say undressed) in a certain suggestive way. And no, I've never been an admirer of Mary Whitehouse, if that's what you're thinking!