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Remember When Saint Cliff Richard Dominated Christmas?

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mae13 Tue 03-Dec-24 13:10:04

The number 1 slot in the charts was almost reserved for him. But he's vanished completely.

I did spot an article about him just a couple of months back and the accompanying photo was not flattering by any means. Age seems to have caught up with him, as it does with all of us.

rafichagran Wed 04-Dec-24 20:36:30

To be honest this thread is distasteful. I honestly think some of the posts are libelous and nasty.

Madmeg Wed 04-Dec-24 22:59:49

Cliff and the Shadows were the first pop act I ever attended, about 1963 in Blackpool. By standards then he was breaking new ground in pop music (which was pretty new anyway) and over the years tried to develop other styles to keep up with the times, mostly successfully. In my mid teens I learned to play the guitar and soon learnt that many of those early 60s musicians were actually pretty noddy technically, using only a handful of basic chords. I was in fact a singer in a folk group for several years in the 60s and 70s, which also began with three chords until Simon and Garfunkel came onto the scene.

Later on, lots of musicians and groups relied on machines and technology to produce more interesting, varied and technically advanced sounds, but weren't necessarily good musicians.

Further advancements in "pop" music came with more meaningful lyrics (some of which I never understood - and not sure the musicians did either. Cliff was initially a part of the "baby stage" of pop music, so naturally many of the later pop stars beat him in many ways.

I saw him around 15 years ago in Sheffield and hated his new style of music and his garb of a tight leather "jumpsuit", it was just not what I expected from Cliff.

The false accusations of paedophilia floored him for good, especially as the accusations appeared in the media while he was abroad and had known nothing about it. I believe the shock made him quite ill and even now I don't think he ever recovered. What a way to treat a man who gave his life to music and brought enjoyment to millions around the world.

And why do others seem to think it is okay to add their own nasty (but unsubstantiated) comments that he simply does not deserve?

I still play his "older" music as its part of my early life, just as I do Elvis music and a myriad of other acts from back then. The Hollies were my love of all time. Anyone like to dish the dirt on Alan Clarke?

Mawmac Thu 05-Dec-24 07:52:51

RosiesMaw2

This thread horrifies me.
It started a million miles from “the spirit of Gransnet” with the snide comment about “Saint Cliff Richard”: and has gone on to cite damning, unsubstantiated and probably libellous accusations.
Is this really the best we can do?
Or is mud-slinging what we are all about?

Well said RosiesMaw2.
I never liked his music, but he definitely doesn’t merit the mean & snide comments.

petra Thu 05-Dec-24 08:05:54

Looking through the OPs back catalogue it’s par for the course 😡

escaped Thu 05-Dec-24 08:21:30

I'm not sure the OP was intended to be overly nasty, but the reference to somebody withering with old age wasn't very nice.
It's the subsequent bandwagon comments trying to imply some form of inappropriate sexual behaviour that are unpleasant, even libelous. Where is the proof or the evidence that posters always seem so keen on?

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 08:28:55

Some people have a very loose grasp of what is considered libelous. Yes, some comments may have been 'unpleasant' - that in itself does not make them libelous (libel law is something I dealt with at work on a daily basis for more than 40 years).

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 08:34:17

It has change GransNet

escaped Thu 05-Dec-24 08:47:30

My grasp of "libelous" was quoted from an above post. I have a strong grasp of what villifying, with intent to cause harm to a reputation, actually means.
Creepy wouldn't be my choice of word to describe anyone. If I were challenged on it, however, I would either apologise or do my utmost to explain on what it was based.

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 09:02:59

escaped

My grasp of "libelous" was quoted from an above post. I have a strong grasp of what villifying, with intent to cause harm to a reputation, actually means.
Creepy wouldn't be my choice of word to describe anyone. If I were challenged on it, however, I would either apologise or do my utmost to explain on what it was based.

I did explain it - I clearly said that sometimes I find just find that someone gives off 'creepy vibes', and added that I could name several well-known personalities who do just that. Saying that you find someone creepy is not libelous.

Davisuz Thu 05-Dec-24 09:34:50

I'm not a fan in particular but he does have a great voice and I like some of his music. I don't think most of us look that amazing at 80!

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 10:15:37

I think calling someone creepy should be libellous , it is associated with fear

MissAdventure Thu 05-Dec-24 10:20:55

I think it depends where it's done.

Putting it out on a forum is no doubt going to be unpleasant to read, particularly on a thread like this, with hinted at dark deeds, and secrets left unsubstantiated.

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 10:26:26

Anniebach

I think calling someone creepy should be libellous , it is associated with fear

Is it? I wouldn't necessarily say so. You could find someone creepy for all kinds of reasons.

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 10:36:25

I. say so, what is there pleasant or comfortable that is described as creepy, often creepy means danger

Mollygo Thu 05-Dec-24 10:38:24

But Anniebach, I think there’s something creepy about people using that word to describe people they don’t know, especially when the accusations are unsubstantiated.

escaped Thu 05-Dec-24 10:42:16

It's one of those words that people use because other people use it, and so it gets passed on.. Maybe some use it in a more defamatory sense than others. I see the post in question has been removed now.

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 10:43:53

Anniebach

I. say so, what is there pleasant or comfortable that is described as creepy, often creepy means danger

I didn't say it wasn't unpleasant, but I don't necessarily associate it with fear. I could say I found someone creepy, that wouldn't have to mean I was afraid of that person.
And Mollygo, as I've said before on this thread, you don't have to know someone personally to feel that they give off 'creepy vibes'. I could name several 'celebrities' or well-known people who I personally feel give off that kind of vibe. It has nothing to do with any accusations. It's just a feeling you get.

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 10:59:01

Describing something creepy is so often - lonely, dark lanes,
animals creeping in the undergrowth, people hiding in undergrowth, creepy crawlers,

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 11:22:43

Well, it obviously means different things to different people. I may find some people creepy, others may not.

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 11:37:57

Obviously.

MissInterpreted Thu 05-Dec-24 12:31:41

Oh dear, just read an article from The Independent in which Cliff's recipes for xmas gravy was described as 'vile'...grin
Maybe that's libelous too..

Anniebach Thu 05-Dec-24 13:03:22

Surely you know one cannot libel gravy ?

Kate1949 Thu 05-Dec-24 13:25:21

Calling Cliff creepy and other unpleasant things is OK. Calling Angela Rayner and other women unpleasant things and saying they look awful is not OK. What a strange world we live in.

Mollygo Thu 05-Dec-24 14:29:05

Kate1949

Calling Cliff creepy and other unpleasant things is OK. Calling Angela Rayner and other women unpleasant things and saying they look awful is not OK. What a strange world we live in.

That will give me something to do this afternoon. Going back to look if the same people who criticised AR etc. are on here posting about Cliff being creepy

knspol Thu 05-Dec-24 15:14:32

Have just remembered that I did come across him at Heathrow once, he was waiting at the same baggage collection point. Have to admit he stood very quietly no 'look at me I'm a star' and when someone went up to talk to him he was very polite and let them take a photo with him. Seemed very unassuming. I was amazed he was collecting his own luggage and didn't get some VIP treatment.