Sky reports on migrant crossings

You mean last week? Or yesterday? 90 is nothing.

Not sure what figures you are referring to but over 35k have crossed so far this year.

451 on Christmas Day. Yay! Happy Christmas. And so it goes on and on and on..

Come on! You can't expect Yvette Cooper to be dishing out mince pies in Morrisons AND be doing the job she's being paid to do. All chat and no do like most politicians.

Shouldn’t the goverment get their details processed and either grant asylum or send the home much faster than they are doing.Having thousands waiting in a backlog helps no one and just proves the incompetence of WM government

Before anyone tells me Scotland should sort it WE can’t immigration is not a devolved issue that’s why we also can’t have the EU workers we had and now badly need.I guess we just need rid of Westminster so we can fix this for ourselves Scotland NEEDS immigrants…well actuallly so does England but having thousands waiting in detention centres that can’t work is ridiculous!,

From what little I know, and I dont know much, we need to get out of the ECHR, for anything to permanently change.

As Belarus and Russia

fancythat

From what little I know, and I dont know much, we need to get out of the ECHR, for anything to permanently change.

You are right , you don't know much. Anyone who supports leaving the ECHR needs to do some research as to the protection it offers, who set it up, and why.

It was a tricky problem for the last government and unsurprisingly it is now a tricky problem for this government.
I don’t know what the answer is. Whatever the answer is, it’s unlikely to be one that any government will countenance. And so it will continue. I suppose we just keep on building more houses.

petal53

It was a tricky problem for the last government and unsurprisingly it is now a tricky problem for this government.
I don’t know what the answer is. Whatever the answer is, it’s unlikely to be one that any government will countenance. And so it will continue. I suppose we just keep on building more houses.

Trouble is we cannot build houses as quickly as they are arriving.

It is also not fair that British born people have waited 5-10 years for social housing. We must ensure that our own people are housed first otherwise I can see big trouble in the future.

And what about the Home Office 'Aspen Card'?

petal I suppose we just keep on building more houses.

And what will happen when we have concreted everywhere?

I don’t know Sparklefizz.
I don’t have any answers I’m afraid.

Thatcher’s right to buy certainly caused and still causes shortage of social houses

That’s true Annie, but with a growing population the problem is bigger than that. Even if Thatcher had never brought in the right to buy, the growing population would still have put pressure on the housing sector.

It’s not just about building houses. Houses need services like water and sewerage. My town’s had sewage flooding problems because the system infrastructure isn’t big enough to cope with all the extra housing.

I’d really like to see the Government get a grip on all the housing that’s empty for a lot of the time. Second homes, air B&B. Villages and areas of towns that are almost deserted for a large part of the year.

HousePlantQueen

fancythat

From what little I know, and I dont know much, we need to get out of the ECHR, for anything to permanently change.

You are right , you don't know much. Anyone who supports leaving the ECHR needs to do some research as to the protection it offers, who set it up, and why.

You have missed the point, have you not?
You put your personal slant on something I wasnt even talking about.
It is not about the protection or not of the ECHR, I think my point is clearly stated in that for the migration situation to change, we need to get out of the ECHR.

I didnt even say whether I wanted that to happen. But actually I do, I think.
Things can get rewritten.
Uk laws change every day of the week.

For you to have answered in the way you have, and I suspect you know what you want, further cements my view that we do indeed, need to come out of the ECHR.

It's all very upsetting, and lots of political point scoring goes on. It has become worse, since we no longer have the automatic co-operation of our European neighbours since BREXIT. Not sure why some GNs think that leaving the EHCR will help. It's almost like an automatic response.
People fleeing wars and persecution will continue to attempt the crossings. Global warming will make some regions uninhabitable, and so create more migrations.
How do we actually think it can be resolved? Can it be?

I’m with you on this fancythat.

Maremia

It's all very upsetting, and lots of political point scoring goes on. It has become worse, since we no longer have the automatic co-operation of our European neighbours since BREXIT. Not sure why some GNs think that leaving the EHCR will help. It's almost like an automatic response.
People fleeing wars and persecution will continue to attempt the crossings. Global warming will make some regions uninhabitable, and so create more migrations.
How do we actually think it can be resolved? Can it be?

I have written somewhere before, that no one had a problem with migration prior to about 1995 [well apart from those who dont like immigrants even when they are needed in certain jobs[I am not counting those people]].When Tony Blair chose to mess around with it.

It wasnt an issue prior to that time, for about 20 years.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I’m with you on this fancythat.

Why? Which of the 16 conditions of the ECHR do you disagree with?

Real ones, nor Farage fantasies. Please do not quote T May and the case of a right to family life involving a cat. That was untrue.

I truly am mystified why people living in what is still a safe democracy would wish to withdraw from the rules which keep it so, would like to be with Russia and Belarus.

Who are you asking that question to? I am assuming FGT2

Not withdraw completely HPQ. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water here. I’m pretty certain it was Churchill who drew up the ECHR or the framework of it in 1945 or thereabouts. It was something the UK and our democracy wanted to ensure less humane states toed the line with regard to personal freedoms. Quite an admirable achievement.

Then Blair got involved. Tinkered around the edges of it all with his wife and eminent human rights lawyer Cherie.

Certain aspects of the ECHR became problematic (cough) and we’ve tied ourselves in knots ever since. It’s a human rights/legal aid nightmare.

It needs changing back to what it was or simplifying or at the least, making it fit for purpose within our democracy. We can hold our heads high. We devised it and now it’s not what we need to sort out the Gordian knot of irregular immigration. The ECHR is being used to tie our hands. It’s time to give it another coat of looking at. Blair ought not just to have the last say on it.