‘Upskirting’

Men have been prosecuted for upskirting - there was a recent case of one who stood at the bottom of an escalator with a camera. Surely all it takes is for the school head to make an announcement to remind pupils and parents that by law this is a prosecutable offence which the school will take seriously and act on. (By temporary expulsion or whatever is appropriate).

I dare say men wearing skirts are likely to suffer the same indignity so I'd say it's not as much sexist as skirtist. As a female myself I have never seen the point in skirts for many reasons including warmth and practicality and I haven't owned one for years.

It is about time that we stop saying and believing 'boys will be boys' and teach them manners and respect towards all females, which includes their sister, teachers, mothers, aunts and grandmothers. I am sure if this was pointed out to the boys they would think twice about abusing girls.
I was shocked to hear that this still goes on in 2018, have we learnt nothing in the last 100 years. If boys are not taught respect for others they will not have respect for themselves and so the cycle of boys behaving badly continues.
They say it takes a village to bring up a child, so it is all of our responsibility to teach boys respect and condone their behaviour when it is unacceptable.

Boys have to learn that they may only observe a girl's underwear when she's on a beach and it's called a bikini.

Apparently the laws that apply in public don't apply in schools as they are deemed to be private premises. That's why the schools can't call in the law when it happens at school. Or that's what I heard one "expert guest" say on a radio station.

What has happened since the 60s ?Mini skirts were the norm& although we may have attracted a few wolf whistles, no one was lying on the ground or stood at the bottom of an escalator for a peep or a photo.
Something much more profound is going on ,perhaps the acceptance of porn( which is still more about men watching/ using woman) is part of the problem, I’m just an old dinosaur, but it is very worrying to me that liberated woman are just as vulnerable as women ever were, any views ideas ladies.?

"Apparently the laws that apply in public don't apply in schools as they are deemed to be private premises."

That can't be true.

Laws apply in all sorts of premises, including private homes, so why not schools?

There are clothes that don't facilitate this, and teachers should be wearing them. I am a little tired of all this nonsense. In the 60's when mini skirts came in women were happy enough to show their pants off going up escalators or top floors of buses now all of a sudden it is another big issue to have the vapours over.

The papers are full of scantily dressed women every weekend falling into gutters drunk and showing everything off, every race event shows women with their bits out and skirts split up the thigh, then all of a sudden we expect boys to know that their attentions are unwelcome.

Wouldn't be unwelcome if some gorgeous, wealthy hunk was doing it, look at the success of 'Fifty Shades'. It is what it is. We are just animals, parts of our brains are still working on old time, looking to eat, sleep and procreate.

I was astonished at the media encouragement to watch people strip off at the weekend in what was a wrinkly fest for the old and disfigured..........brave was it? A new fetish if you ask me.

We are banning the young and lovely, who choose to make their living from being grid girls and replacing that with titillation provide by the elderly.

I don't know what our primitive brains make of that.

Teachers used to wear a unifrom of sorts , ours wore their university gowns or business suits, they have let their standards drop and are asking for trouble. Kids in school now, are far older and more sexually developed than they used to be.

If you don't want the attention wear a longer skirt or trousers or do your blouse up. The class room is a place of business after all and the solution is simple enough.

Give them a kick where it hurts.

"Down-blousing" surely has an easy answer. Don't wear a blouse that reveals your cleavage.

I don't understand why so many women do this nowadays, including older women for whom it is definitely not a good look.

Ten years ago almost all the girls at my school wore school uniform trousers. Then we became an academy, and they brought in a new uniform. Girls could wear trousers, but somehow skirts were 'encouraged'. Experienced teachers rolled their eyes! Skirts got shorter and shorter, and this became a battleground, as predicted. I expect this happened in a lot of schools.
Peer pressure is more difficult than ever, for girls to wear what their mates wear, for boys to muck about like their mates do. How to break the cycle...

Can anyone tell me if this is a predominantly young teenage activity, I’m assuming it is or else if adult men are doing this surely they would be arrested.?

And the added concern is that this images if put on social media & are out in the ether for eternity.

I think some adult men have been charged with this.

radicalnan, basically the thread concerns schoolgirls being badly treated by schoolboys, so I don't really understand your point about schoolteachers.

If it was aimed at me, I was, on the occasion I described, dressed as always when teaching in a skirt that came three inches below my knees, stockings and two pairs of underpants, so I was hardly inviting indecent behaviour!

I wear so much to keep me warm they won't see anything interesting. However it doesn't change the embarrassment for girls.
I campaigned in my first career as a teacher for girls to wear trousers at school just so they could enjoy the freedoms that trousers afford in movement. I also took an assembly on respect for each other when I found boys were embarrassing girls by saying they could see their pants. I went in with my pants (thick gym knickers) on over my trousers. Good enough for Superman! Anyway we all decided it was not fair to upset people and the boys stopped doing it.
This is about stopping terrible behaviour and learning to respect each other. It starts at home.

Brilliant Luzdoh,what great way to handle it.

Grandtante.........I would say if I were 'aiming at you', which I was not This thread encompasses the 'threats' that teachers claim they have to cope with in schools, as well as the pupils.

I really don't care what you wore, maybe you just enjoyed telling me?

I remember in the 60's, men wearing shoes with buckles with a mirror in the middle. Before mini camera's?

Ha is that what the shoe fashion was all about.

I think we should have a Go out in the Nude day, don’t think it would take long for the majority to decided we look better covered up?

I think we have to get this in perspective have you ever seen men or boys lying on the ground to look up skirts I ve never ever seen any i must live in a very boring town In fact so few women wear skirts now Id have thought they d get bored and cold lying in wait I m not doubting there are a few peeping toms around always have been but what a great old fuss about nothing
Yes we wore very sexually explicit Minis in the 60 s and very mixed messages going on now with female nudity on tv like at the weekend and kids music videos promoting as little clothing as possible but that’s all ok, boys must be very unsure of where they stand

Why on earth would you wear two pair of underpants grandtante did you feel the cold ?

You're damn right Grandtante, if we sit back and 'take it' we'd be expected to accept even worse behaviour. Some kids will always push those boundaries to see how far they can go. It's up to us to protest firmly.

Thinking about this again: is it not time we start teaching girls and women that they must respect themselves and that this includes demanding that men and boys respect them?

At the same time we need to teach boys and men to respect themselves and to respect women. Obviously, girls and women need to respect boys and men as well.

It is one thing if it is only schoolboys looking up skirts or down blouses - they can and should be taught that this kind of thing is not acceptable and that very few girls or women are going to like them for doing it.

If grown men are behaving so badly, then it presumably falls under the heading of sexual harassment in the work place and may even fall into the category of sexual assault and must be dealt with as such.

There is surely nothing wrong with dress codes or school uniforms, but however we expect people to dress flirtation can unfortunately cross the line of what is pleasing and become behaviour that no-one should be expected to put up with.

When this happens the person made to feel uncomfortable needs to speak out.

Our generation did so, both with regards to flirtation that crossed the line and bad language, so perhaps we can teach our grandchildren how to deal with these matters.

GrandtanteJE65 - well done for admitting to it. I think we can all be guilty of something but it takes the barave ones to admit to it. On two occasions, back around 1958 and when I was only five years old, I stole sixpence out of my mam's purse. On one occasion, I remember my mam sayig, "Hmm, there seems to be some money missing from my purse," and that was the end of the matter. There, I've said it.

Oops! 'Brave' that is, though 'barave' does look rather pretty, doesn't it?