Illegal migrants’ amnesty vaccine.

Similar number in France and Germany, I don’t know what they’re policy will be with vaccination.

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I wouldn't trust any promise that any member of this government made.

Alegrias1

The article actually says that Last year, Oxford University's Migration Observatory looked at studies conducted since 2001 and concluded the figure could be between 120,000 and 1.3million.

But trust the Daily Mail to go with the figure that will have the most affect on their readership,

This is my second anti-DM post of the day. Its almost like they are printing exaggerations and untruths to wind people up. Surely not....

Do people actually READ what other posters write. Even after alegrias1 kindly sent a link to the original study - posters just kept on quoting that figure of 1:70, totally inaccurately. Probably nearer 1:700.

Do people just take in what appeals to their own prejudices???

My point exactly Franbern. That 1.3 million number is out there now and will get quoted again and again, here and elsewhere. So inflated figures and false news - which is also being mentioned on another thread this morning - become "fact".

I noticed that we also managed to blame the immigrants for any future failures in our vaccination program before we even got to the bottom of page 1. Makes my blood boil.

Of course they do Franbern. Although, to be fair (even to Tories) we all do it. I just happen to disagree with this one.

GagaJo ?

The exact number of illegal immigrants in the UK is not known. However, the two most recent studies estimate the number to be between 594,000-745,000 and 800,000-1.2 million respectively.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team.

OK, so lower estimate about half of what the Daily Mail is shouting about?

I read the Reuters fact check too, not just the final paragraph either. The top estimate was 1.2 million in 2017, which was 100,000 fewer that in 2016. So if numbers have continued to go down at the same rate, its 800,000 now. But as Reuters say themselves nobody knows. Maybe everybody you meet is an "illegal"

Okay - so ‘nobody knows’.
Doesn’t make it right though. Even ID cards wouldn’t work as they can be forged I expect. Unless they incorporated biometric data such as retinal scans. Like fingerprints, the pattern of blood vessels at the back of the eye is unique to every individual, and they can be very easily read for identification purposes. Which is why we get scanned that way at passport control.

Oh well, this will all just blow over I expect.
Again.

No government so far wants to tackle it. Maybe Farage’s ‘Reform’ party might?

nanna8 what gets on my nerves about Australia is that I couldn't just plonk myself there because my family are there, I'd have to go through a rigmarole of questions and at 80 chances are I wouldn't be accepted.
I've been livid seeing all and sundry coming here, no questions asked for that reason. I should, along with everyone else who has family there, be free to choose there or here in the UK.

I remember writing to the then Oz PM, Keating at the time, airing my grievances on being unable to settle in Oz without any red-tape involved, because I have family there. He did reply, or rather someone on his behalf but he signed the letter.

I'll be encouraging my GGC to emigrate when they're old enough because there's nothing in this country for them.

There is a quote that come to mind when thinking of the gossip rags that print these things and it's "gossip empowers the weak". It is certainly used to make them feel empowered.

How about those reading these dreadful manipulators just improving their knowledge. Then they would be truly "empowered".

EllenVannin Why should anybody be allowed to settle in any country without screening? Australia has its own laws as an independent country and, it could be said, they are better than ours and that we could learn from them

I understand your frustration at the ‘red tape’ but you don’t know for sure, without trying, that you would not be accepted as long as you can show that you are able to support yourself and will not be a drain on Australia’s resources.

Does anyone remember a report where an attempt was made to gauge the approximate number of people living in London illegally?

Someone felt the answer lay in London’s sewers !

The amount of, how shall I put it, bodily waste far exceeded the known number of residents.

It was a few years ago now and I can’t remember the exact figures but it was decided that London’s population was considerably higher than thought.
The 1.3 million figure could be an underestimate.

EllenVannin All and sundry can't come here with no questions asked. My American son in had to jump through a whole lot of hoops and complete a lot of paperwork before he was allowed in to marry my daughter. He then had to go to Croydon every year to prove he was still living with her until he became a British citizen.

Judging by my midwife neighbour's experiences with immigrant prostitutes and their pimps I think a lot of people aren't going to be allowed to be vaccinated. They aren't very keen on the women going to hospital to have babies.

We have no idea of the scale of the problem do we?

Just to get the figures straight, there are over 67 million in the country and if you assumed 1 million were illegal that would be I person in 67.

So a piece of research was done that tells us that in our population the number of illegal immigrants is more than one and less than all.

Now what. Some, who have no more knowledge of the facts than they did yesterday, are jumping up and down at this thought. Don't you realise that is exactly what the DM intends you to do?

How does it feel to be led by the nose by these scandal sheets? And why, oh why, do you allow them to do it to you?

Hahahaha, Pippa. It was ever thus. So much for Brexit getting rid of furreners. If it isn't ranting about immigrants, it is swooning over the royal family.

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Why do the bleeding hearts always assume that the majority of people who live here illegally are always ‘from a war torn country’? Just as we don’t know how many illegal migrants we actually have over here, let’s not pretend that some are not economic migrants.

We just don’t know the numbers do we?

Who are you suggesting are these "bleeding hearts" Urmstongran? What does it even mean?

Also, who has suggested the majority come from a war torn country?

You sound very cross. Is that because it is obvious the DM has an adgenda to use those who won't think for themselves? I am not sure anything could make me sorry for that sort of generally far right, worthless rag.

Even if some came as what you describe as "economic migrants" surely "migrants" may well be legal. Many migrate from our country in order to have a better life why shouldn't other do the same and migrate to our country. In fact both my son and my brother have been economic migrants going out of the country. We need some to come the other way.

You seem aware that not all migration is illegal so how would you divide up those who are? Or is this just a case of doing what the DM says and making a noise about something no one can calibrate?

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I don't know Urmstongran. When people find they have to resort to name calling - not something I have noticed you do in the past - then it tells me something has upset them.

Oh my. I can't believe you are off on the "those of us who pay taxes" mantra. That has almost become the cult chant for some I feel.

Never mind. I don't feel like banging my head against a lost cause this evening. I will leave you to castigate those the DM tells its readers too.