A difficult situation........... ..

And for SSD to trigger helpful services in the home.

According to the article, the daughter did not have Power of Attorney for her mother’s health and welfare.
There is no mention of the elderly lady’s wishes, only those of the daughter. Were the police called because the staff thought she was being taken against her wishes? Did the home have PoA? There are a lot of unanswered questions

It would be unusual for the home to have PoA, wouldn't it?

I saw the news item and the situation is heartbreaking as similar situations will be for so many, but this case does raise important questions.

why they are concerned at curtailed visiting for at least a month.
I thought I heard the granddaughter say they had not been allowed to visit for 9 months and it appeared that they were only able to talk to her through a window.

Some care homes have made better arrangements for visits even if there is not allowed to be physical contact.

What price life for a very elderly person if there is no quality of life and they are not allowed to see their nearest and dearest?

I assume there is a DOLS in place

And the family don't have POA for health

This family hadn't been able to hug their mother for 9 months.

And this isn't an isolated incident. A friend of mine has just managed to get her mother out of a nursing home after much stress where the police were called more than once. Social Services finally found in her favour and her mother is now living at with her daughter,

My friend is not a criminal nor a bully. She just wanted to be able to care for her mother at home.

There was an interview with a woman from the Alzheimer's Society this morning. It's tragic how old people are being forced to live out their lives basically locked in bedrooms. Families are desperately trying to visit and not being able to. Patients with dementia are deteriorating and dying. It's a tragedy.

This family gave an interview this morning and explained how the incident had happened.

Link from the Mail, (which might cause consternation for some), but it does show a video of the daughter explaining.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8916831/Corrie-actresss-nurse-mother-tells-desperate-battle-stars-dementia-stricken-grandmother.html

What price life for a very elderly person if there is no quality of life and they are not allowed to see their nearest and dearest?

Exactly, Callistemon.

It's desperately sad

From the Gov.uk website.
To arrest you the police need reasonable grounds to suspect you're involved in a crime for which your arrest is necessary
What crime?

Stealing your own mother.

What have we come to?

The home have POA, if what was said on tv this morning is correct. To make and register a POA the person must have the mental capacity to do this. The reasons being if in the future they lost capacity to make decisions they would be assured whoever they had chosen as their POA would make decisions on their behalf in their ‘best interest’ , taking into account what would be their wishes or choice/decisions before they lost capacity.
POA consists of two parts:
- health and welfare
- property and financial affairs.
You can have the same person for both or have different people for each part. It’s the person concerned own personal choice, remember this can only be made and registered when someone has capacity to make such a decision. If not it goes to the Court of Protection.
Therefore the lady concerned would have chosen the home as her POA, either for both parts or for one of them.

Therefore the lady concerned would have chosen the home as her POA, either for both parts or for one of them.

I don't think so!

She has dementia. The home will have got a DOLS.

I do not know why a care home should have PoA if there are next-of-kin.
Did the family agree to or even know about this?

Callistemon
This, this is what 'we've' become. But sadly I feel there is more to come.
Part of the bill that was passed yesterday.
give the power to use reasonable force to pcso's and any person designated by the Secretary of State for the purpose of this regulation
Big brother or what!!

She has dementia. The home will have got a DOLS.

And apparently the assessor does not have to visit the person under the present circumstances.

Just watched the video. Such a desperately sad situation for all concerned. A situation I fully understand after spending the past 8 months looking in a care home window at someone who is literally crying out for a hug.

However the old lady’s daughter has admitted when the staff opened the door to accept her flowers that she forced her way in and grabbed her mother for a hug. As this was done on the spur of the moment there would have been no hygiene measures in place, no hand washing, no PPE. Therefore her mother, the other residents and the staff have all potentially been put at risk. I suspect that’s why the police were called.

The police say they were called because of an assault.
The family deny there was an assault and, as Ms Angeli was re-arrested, it sounds as if the police agreed with her.
It sounds as if they had done everything they possibly could, including refusing to allow their mother to be returned to the home after a hospital visit (that was overturned) to applying to work in the care home (refused).
They seem to have exhausted all possibilities.

Since when have care homes been allowed more power over people's lives than their own families?

re-arrested

No de-arrested and that is what I typed.

It puts the police in an awful situation. I think if I was a member of the police force taking the call, I would have responded as to a burglary, ie too busy at the moment, will send you an email!

Once the mother was safely inside her daughter's home, I think it would be up to SS to prove that she couldn't look after her, as a retired nurse, I think they might find that difficult to prove.

I think this is a publicity stunt by a failing actress to get media attention.
It’s worked

Missfoodlove

I think this is a publicity stunt by a failing actress to get media attention.
It’s worked

Good grief.

Words fail me

I suppose the police were in on it as well

Missfoodlove

I think this is a publicity stunt by a failing actress to get media attention.
It’s worked

Words don't fail me Oopsminty!

That is one of the nastiest posts I've seen for a long while, Missfoodlove.
I hope you're never put in that position, although I doubt that you will.

SSD should have been called in to investigate the well-being of this old lady and make a decision as to whether she would be safe at home.

The fact of whether the daughter is guilty of an offence against the staff of the home by committing a physical assault is not a reason or justification for the police removing the old lady from the daughter's home and taking her back to the nursing home.

A Home cannot have PofA as far as I am aware.

Why would anyone cause such distress to an elderly person?
It was a selfish and thoughtless act.
I am really shocked that anyone would do such a thing.
My mother who was in a home had no idea who I was for two years.
Had I bundled her into a car she would probably have had a heart attack.
I stand by what I said, I guarantee they will be doing the talk show rounds in the coming days.

I would be looking for another home, one more caring.

My Mom is 98 and in a home. She is well cared for but the home is really stretched during this pandemic. It is a small private home. Mom says the carers don’t have time to chat but they do everything she needs. She is almost blind and is quite frustrated and anxious at the moment. I have felt like fetching her out but that would upset Mom too much. Hopefully with the new advice from Government I will be able to see her soon.