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New infections - 100000 per day?

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Daisymae Wed 07-Jul-21 08:16:03

Javid said this was a possibility by August. This could equate to 5000 cases of long Covid per day too. I'm thinking that should this be correct that many people will restrict their own interaction with others therefore adversely affect the economy and all that goes with it. Removing all restrictions so quickly could backfire. That's without a new variant of concern thrown into the mix. Would this level of contagion affect your behaviour??

Marydoll Wed 07-Jul-21 08:18:45

This won't change my previous behaviour, I will continue to be extremely careful.
In fact the thought of that level of contagion worries me greatly!

Lizzytut Wed 07-Jul-21 08:22:35

I'm with you Marydoll

Shropshirelass Wed 07-Jul-21 08:33:32

We will not change our behaviour, we will still not go out unless we have to and we will wear masks inside. I find it very worrying. Yesterday I spoke to relatives who live in Devon, they are elderly, their daughter is a very experienced nurse, her husband has health issues and they have three teenage children. The parents have had their vaccine, so has their daughter, husband and one of the children. The daughter, husband and children have all contracted the latest strain of the virus in spite of some of them being fully vaccinated and they are all having to self isolate. We just hope that the vaccine does give a degree of protection.

Gwyneth Wed 07-Jul-21 08:33:56

Last Friday I went to our local Italian restaurant with two friends. I felt very comfortable and had a lovely time. Tables were well distanced and limited to six, staff wore masks and customers had to wear a mask if they left their table. It was great to have the privacy of tables not placed so close together as is so often the case in restaurants. After the 19 July with all the current rules ending and the infection rate rising I don’t think I will be going out to eat again for a while. Do others feel the same?

Daisymae Wed 07-Jul-21 08:38:01

Gwyneth - that's exactly my point. I certainly would not feel comfortable. Plus there's going to be high levels of sickness absence.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 07-Jul-21 08:40:52

Yes Gwynneth I totally agree with you. I understand the impact of spacing on restaurants’ profits but the current restrictions are better for them than another total lockdown. Have already posted on another thread how much the relaxation of restrictions at present alarms me so won’t repeat myself and invite brick chucking!

Gwyneth Wed 07-Jul-21 08:45:55

I wonder Daisymae if lifting all restrictions so quickly might actually damage the hospitality sector further with people not going out. I know we need to get back to some kind of ‘normality’ eventually but the rising number of infections and deaths is very worrying. I think we still need to keep masks for inside plus the social distancing rule.

Gwyneth Wed 07-Jul-21 08:48:31

and yes germanshepherdsmum restrictions more preferable to total lockdown.

Septimia Wed 07-Jul-21 08:50:21

I'll be pleased that we'll be allowed to do things again, but that doesn't mean that I will be doing them ! Anything I do will be carefully considered and approached with caution. Any events I help organise will also take safety into account. I shall continue to wear a face mask in confined spaces and to distance from other people as appropriate.

Lin52 Wed 07-Jul-21 09:00:32

I will still be careful, my friend has already cancelled her special meal out, as it is the day after opening up, where every table they can will be crammed in. Read some shops will refuse to serve if no mask worn.

MissChateline Wed 07-Jul-21 09:21:17

I can not wait for freedom day and yes I will be doing all of the things denied for months.
I will look forward to being able to walk into a restaurant not having had to book a slot and have an allotted amount of time to eat my meal. I look forward to being able to get a coffee without having to provide personal details in order to buy it. In fact from the start I have refused to do this.
Our local,pub/restaurant has sheets of plastic hanging between the tables in the bar area. What could possibly be a more soulless and joyless experience? This has sucked the joy and spontaneity from most pleasurable things in life.
I look forward to not having to queue in the rain to go into a shop and hopefully all this leaping into the road to avoid other pedestrians will finally end. Hopefully those who want to continue to wear masks will do and if they want to sanitise their shopping and everything else they will continue to do so.
I won’t be wearing my mask unless legally required to. I am doubly vaccinated. So antibodies should be in full working order and I am prepared to make the assessment that I am neither transmitting or receiving any nasties.
What I do want to happen is the ridiculous testing for people returning from places abroad which have no cases. I believe that this is financially driven and not public health related.
My wife and I live between two countries. We spend time in each both together and separately. We both have different reasons for wanting to spend different amounts of time in different places. I can visit the Canary Islands with no test and just proof of vaccination whereas I can not return from a COVID free island without paying a small fortune for tests. So we find ourselves separated for months at a time.
Normality for me won’t return until the freedom of travel returns.

Lillie Wed 07-Jul-21 09:34:26

i am going to take it bit by bit although i actually feel things might improve once the schools break up. that is where the probelm is at the moment.

Sparklefizz Wed 07-Jul-21 10:41:05

Shropshirelass

We will not change our behaviour, we will still not go out unless we have to and we will wear masks inside. I find it very worrying. Yesterday I spoke to relatives who live in Devon, they are elderly, their daughter is a very experienced nurse, her husband has health issues and they have three teenage children. The parents have had their vaccine, so has their daughter, husband and one of the children. The daughter, husband and children have all contracted the latest strain of the virus in spite of some of them being fully vaccinated and they are all having to self isolate. We just hope that the vaccine does give a degree of protection.

Yes. My daughter and 2 grandchildren are in Devon, and she says numbers are bad there.

They are also bad here and above the national average where I live in South Gloucestershire.

JaneJudge Wed 07-Jul-21 10:47:39

I think they are much higher than we are being told anyway. One of sons has covid symptoms and we have been waiting for his PCR results since Saturday! How on earth can we open up if testing is so slow? He rang the NHS number and they say they inundated and cannot take calls re test results. So we continue to self isolate. Me and my husband had a discussion about this last night he said you can see why it's spreading, how can people just stay at home? They have symptoms and are ill for a couple of days, it takes ages to get test results, you start to feel better, work wants you in......

maddyone Wed 07-Jul-21 10:50:48

For most of us, if we are double vaccinated, if we are unlucky enough to contract the virus, we will not be very ill. It could be unpleasant, but will not put us into hospital. People who were shielding the first time round would do well to continue to be very careful, but others can assess their risk and act accordingly. I will watch what’s happening and decide where I may go, or not go, according to the risk. I won’t be going into any big crowds.

Franbern Wed 07-Jul-21 14:03:31

I cannot take any interest in numbers of positive tests (do wonder how many of those maybe false positives). Only figures I am interested in is number of people with Covid symptoms who may require hospitalisation and how many definitely related Covid deaths.

I am pleased that many of hte current restrictions are being lifted - people may put in their own restrictions if they wish and can. For many the socialisation will have positive results for their mental health, and hopefully, children can return to normal schooling in September and students can this year have a proper University experience.
The young have been the ones sacrificed during this Pandemic in this country to the requirements of the elderly - to me the wrong way round.

maddyone Wed 07-Jul-21 14:44:01

I agree Franbern.

rosie1959 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:51:00

I also agree Franburn we test a huge amount here in the UK the last time I looked it was far higher than France or Germany
With low hospital admissions and deaths if we didn’t test so much would we even notice Covid

Riverwalk Wed 07-Jul-21 15:40:34

Gwyneth

Last Friday I went to our local Italian restaurant with two friends. I felt very comfortable and had a lovely time. Tables were well distanced and limited to six, staff wore masks and customers had to wear a mask if they left their table. It was great to have the privacy of tables not placed so close together as is so often the case in restaurants. After the 19 July with all the current rules ending and the infection rate rising I don’t think I will be going out to eat again for a while. Do others feel the same?

From what I can gather listening to various heads of pub/restaurant chains, they will be maintaining certain restrictions to protect their young staff, who might not have had a second vaccination.

One chap yesterday said his staff will continue for now with masks, keep table service, and still no standing at the bar.

The tabloids and politicians talk foolishly of Freedom Day but business owners are smart enough not to have a free for all from day one.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 16:00:57

I agree too Franbern; hospitalisations and deaths directly linked to Covid are what's important.

Shelflife Wed 07-Jul-21 16:22:17

MissChateline, most people will agree that the restrictions have and are causing anxiety and resentment . Plastic sheets hanging between tables in the bar area is indeed a soulless and joyless environment, I couldn't agree more. However plastic sheets between ICU beds in hospital is also a very joyless environment!!! I know which I prefer , how about you? You are not alone in your resentment, nobody wants it . The pandemic has cost thousands of lives , we are getting there but must not become complacement. Being free to travel wherever we want would be very welcome indeed , we all know and want that. However we must not be lulled into a false sense of security. I intend to continue to take great care , stay well and out of hospital . The NHS have quite enough to deal with without me catching Covid by being irresponsible - even though fullt vaccinated!

MissChateline Wed 07-Jul-21 18:22:08

Shelflife, I certainly am not being lulled into a false sense of security. But I think that I have dealt with the whole pandemic thing in a very different way to many contributors on here. After the very first week of feeling terrified of dying alone, my wife had became stuck in Spain, I realised that this was not the way to deal with it and that the anxiety and fear were more debilitating and damaging than the virus. I did the things that I was required to by law, masks in shops and public transport. But that was it. I hugged my family, refused to cut myself off and concentrated on maintaining my physical and mental health. I walked 10 miles a day, saw my friends and generally got on with life.
Additionally I organised an entire house renovation with walls being knocked down, new kitchen installed, total decorating and all of the rest of what was needed. I probably had at least 30 tradesmen all working for the best part of a year. There was the designers, project manager, plasterers, builders, plumbers, joiners, electricians, Tiler’s and decorators. Then came curtain makers, carpet cleaners and furniture deliveries. I always insisted that they did not need to wear masks unless they wanted to in the house as it was hot and heavy work they were doing and on many occasions I worked alongside them and was around for the full process. I loved every minute of it. Not once did I feel “unsafe”. I was doubly lucky as I got the best of the local tradesmen who had had work cancelled as customers were to frightened to have workmen in the house.
I continually find it concerning the levels of sanitisation and people avoidance that is going on. The amount of stress that people are putting themselves through. There were many who observed guidelines as if they were the law (it was never illegal to hug anyone) who still caught COVID and those of us who carried in as normal and haven’t as much as sneezed for 15 months. The levels of mental health problems that will manifest from this is terrifying.
I have been very lucky in the fact that I have never had a serious days illness in my life. The last time I was confined to my bed was when I was 13 with German measles. But I have always looked after myself. I exercise daily, walk 10 miles and regularly do weight training. I could not imagine ever eating any junk food and I maintain a very healthy BMI.
So I am not being lulled into a false sense of security because I believe that life has to go on. I know that having been doubly vaccinated I am highly unlikely to be seriously ill.
As an aside, I used to work with the homeless in a residential hostel about 20 years ago. Many of the male residents were actively infected with TB. Did I spend my life worrying whether I was going to be become ill from it…. No I didn’t because like most others I was vaccinated.

JaneJudge Wed 07-Jul-21 18:26:11

my son finally got though to nhs who can't find his test and have advised he and our hosuehold self isolate for at least another 72 hours <sigh>

MerylStreep Wed 07-Jul-21 18:49:48

Croup is running rife in my area. Are they shutting the nurseries, No!!
My next door neighbours child was so poorly she was given steroids.