Jean-Claude Juncker can go away and eat his words. (This is a moving on thread)

Why shouldn't they? That's we've said we'd do

Because there is a process. It was agreed by all the member nations one would presume. Because despite wanting to leave we need to get our ducks in a row , which could not be done until the people had spoken.

I don't see the need to rush blindly forward when now we have an idea where we're going and we should do it right.

Lack of planning could be catastrophic- so why begrudge the powers that be time to do it right? It seems like you would like it all to go wrong?

Have they not just 'instructed' the UK PM to start negotiations 'immediately' or we must get another PM!

Probably. They have a union to save.

Just shows the paucity of the leave argument. They haven't a clue what to do next. Why should anyone step in to save their bacon? I wouldnt

Good luck with that - from the various news reports there are a number of countries now looking to jump ship.

Perhaps we weren't the only ones that were dissatisfied ...we shall see I guess.

Nanna

I don't share your optimism, I wish I could.

I believe the EU will make a point of being as harsh as possible with the us to show any other 'possible' decenters
just how ruthless they can be. It is after all a club that has a focus for 'Ever Closer Union/Federal Europe.

Sadly there are no 'progressive' politicians in Europe capable of putting the people above their ego or their country before the Demigod which is the European Union/Parliament.

and so the arguments go on and on and on

I thought leave would have a preliminary plan in place for the first few weeks after Brexit where a timetable would be presented. But now it seems there is no plan and the government is rudderless

The EU goes into Summer Recess soon, so nothing would be happening then anyway until the Autumn.Same With our own Parliament.

It's all bluster bluff and double bluff.

Things will be happening behind the scenes, and I Think Cameron was right to hand over to somebody else soon.

The lives and finances of millions is the responsibility of Juncker, and he is standing up for his people In comparison Cameron cannot even stand up to what he promised. That he would guide the UK through the necessary steps to the Uk actually leaving.
The LEAVE campaign have no actual plan to leave.They will need 100 trained EU economists and lawyers to cope with the hundreds of trade agreements. They have 10, They didn't grasp that they couldn't use those working for the EU.

I also learned to day that in 2004 when the Eastern Block opened its borders for people to leave or emigrate, that then the EU countries decided to update their benefit systems to allow only people with jobs to enter.
With one exeception. the UK they decided against this- they were glad to take anybody.
So there you have the TRUTH
It wasn't the EU's fault after all.

If I read it correctly Article 50 states we, the exiters, can activate the process when we want to as a result of the referendum. We remain a member and presumably have to pay our dues until the settlement. 52% voted to leave and will be expecting action from our own government and not the EU who, like the electorate, must sit and wait until the Government acts. The EU does not have to sit in silence though and are within their rights to complain if we procrastinate. But so can all sections of the electorate in this country, some of whom will be anything but silent and submissive about it and that's in both camps. Everyone wants a stable market and to know where they stand in it all. I think the UK Brexit powers that be haven't a clue what to do and have no plan at all because they never expected it to happen their way or that they would to be in charge of it. But that isn't good enough for the EU or for the electorate in this country or the world as a whole. Our politicians on all on sides need to step up and either confess it was all one big mistake and we are never going to serve the order or do what Nicola Sturgeon has done and publicly announce they have set up a committee of the finest brains to forge our settlement. Whatever happens, it is at least only courteous to all concerned to at least give a hint of what will happen next so people can move on.

MargaretX
Could you please state the source of your truth regarding UK blocking free movement control, I would be interested to read this. thank you.

Riverwalk re Juncker:
Rumours about his drinking have been circulating for years.
www.channel4.com/news/jean-claude-juncker-what-you-should-know

I would have thought we will hear more monday or tuesday. Politicans on all sides like weekends and holidays.

I think it will be the financial markets who will decide the pace.

I think a lot of people think politicians run things, but finance has a bigger say. Just like household budgets.

And they dont work on weekends either, as far as I know.

What about the 500 million who are waiting to rebuild after the utter mess of our making. Don't they have the moral high ground? I think they do
whitewave there could be more than a few million of them who are hoping for their own referendum

Probably but it doesn't negate my argument

The lives and finances of millions is the responsibility of Juncker,
That is a truly frightening thought in the light of the allegations that have surrounded him for years.

Yes indeed. A drunken despot (allegedly).

no smoke without fire as they say (allegedly)

Churchill was an alcoholic.

And (allegedly) rumours of dodgy deals when a certain Internet company allocated to luxemburg.
And I'm sure he won't forget that Cameron was against him being given the top job.

Winston Churchill's bibulous meals and tendency to keep a whisky going through the day are legendary. Yet most historians agree that Churchill's supposed abuse of alcohol is a myth; he was no alcoholic. Of course, Churchill himself did very little to discourage rumours about his alcoholic excess.28 Jan 2015