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MawB Wed 28-Aug-19 09:31:48

The end of hopes of stopping a no deal Brexit?
Just announced.
The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament days after MPs return to work - and a matter of weeks before the Brexit deadline.
The BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, says it will make way for Boris Johnson's new administration to hold a Queen's Speech - laying out the government's future plans - on 14 October
But it means MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.
A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU
The idea of shutting down Parliament - known as prorogation - has caused controversy, with critics saying it would stop MPs being able to play their democratic part in the Brexit process.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Aug-19 10:41:40

This is not how our constitution is supposed to work. Proroguing removes our voice over the most important period in our history since the last war. Our democracy is being stolen by a group of millionaires playing politics with our lives, they have staged a coup that will silence our parliamentary representatives ability to debate the potential Brexit deal or no deal to a very limited few days.

The pound is in free-fall which has implication for a rise in our cost of living.

mostlyharmless Wed 28-Aug-19 10:42:47

Yes jura the pound has apparently plunged 1% today on this news.

Elegran Wed 28-Aug-19 10:48:24

If you are on Facebook, or other social media, copy and paste this message. Email it to your MP, your MEP, your MSP, anyone you can think of who will spread it -

"SUSPENDING PARLIAMENT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR A POTENTIAL DICTATOR TO SILENCE THE AUTHENTIC VOICE OF THE PEOPLE There is more danger to our freedom and democracy in this proposal than ever there was in our association with the EU.

THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS HEARD IN THIS NATION THROUGH OUR FREELY AND LEGALLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES IN A SYSTEM OF SECRET UNIVERSAL VOTING WHICH HAS BEEN FOUGHT AND DIED FOR OVER CENTURIES. Once the precedent is established, it will be copied whenever a Prime Minister wishes to rule without any opposition - like a monarch with absolute power.

IS THIS WHAT VOTERS REALLY WANT?.

Share this and circulate it. This must be stopped."

mostlyharmless Wed 28-Aug-19 10:48:44

Hopefully WWM2 a lot can be achieved in Parliament in a few days next week.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 10:49:37

Not suggesting it was about anyone really Jurassic, just about how it is seen elsewhere.

opsimath Wed 28-Aug-19 10:49:43

I think so many voted to leave almost out of nostalgia for the "The Good Old Days" but without any thought or knowledge
to what would happen. Now we all know a lot more and realise what a mistake it would be. We should have another vote, so many will have changed their minds.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 10:52:26

You nurse that feeling Jura. It seems you are determined to "feel" more than the rest of us.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:00:02

Quote on All Out Politics from FT quoting a senior Downing Street official.

"If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week, then we won't resign. We wont recommend another government. We'll dissolve Parliament, call an election between November 1st and 5th. There will be zero chance of Grieve legislation or, of course, in those circumstances, avoiding no deal."

Elegran Wed 28-Aug-19 11:05:49

They might as well just dissolve the whole of the nation and cut out the middleman. They don't want either a deal or no deal, they want the complete humiliation and bankruptcy of the United Kingdom.

Who is behind this? I don't look for conspiracies, but even I am ready to believe that it is political manipulation by some great power which has the final annihilation of Western democracy as a goal.

jura2 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:06:44

WOW GGMK3- that was unpleasant and uncalled for, for sure sad

yes, mostly harmless, 1% today- and before that % after % - pound down, Swiss franc up- in the last 10 years not all due to Brexit for sure.

GGMK3 - if you lost 60% of your income, and knew that is likely to keep going down significantly, I do wonder how you would feel. But I said it- for me/us- our massive disappointment is way beyond money. My husband is British and has given his country his very best for 40+ years. And I became British pre EU days, and gave it my best too. Your comment is really out of order.

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Elegran Wed 28-Aug-19 11:08:04

Why is " not avoiding no deal" an AIM? Not having a deal is FAILURE. It is not an end in itself. How did it become a GOAL to work and manipulate for?

Elegran Wed 28-Aug-19 11:11:50

Personal sniping is not relevant, GracesGranMK3 . There is more at stake here than who is showing their feelings more than anyone else.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:14:13

I am sure, and always have been Jura, that many, many people will be very adversely affected. Just now I am trying to see what is happening.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:17:32

Exactly Elegran (11:11) I am glad we agree.

Not sure what you previous comment preferred to, I'm afraid.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:18:13

So now I think we will see the metal of the combined opposition.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:18:48

Good to see the speakers comments.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:21:09

Petitions and protests won’t change a thing, we know that.

Parliament is the only body capable of stopping him.

varian Wed 28-Aug-19 11:21:44

Former Attorney General Dominic Grieve says the timing and length of the prorogation of Parliament is "completely unprecedented" and shows "amazing contempt for Parliament on the part of the Prime Minister".

twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1166655348389949440?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

GracesGranMK3 Wed 28-Aug-19 11:23:04

I agree WW. Parliament must fight this power grab.

varian Wed 28-Aug-19 11:28:38

By suspending Parliament to force through a No Deal, Boris Johnson and the Government would remove the voice of the people. It is a dangerous and unacceptable course of action which the @LibDems will strongly oppose.

twitter.com/joswinson

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 11:34:40

My first thought was that he wouldn’t have said that if he hadn’t already had the nod from the Queen that she’ll accede to his request.

Davidhs Wed 28-Aug-19 11:40:54

I expect a vote of no confidence to be lost next week, what will Bercow allow to happen then, surely having lost a vote the government cannot just ignore it.
Anyone any logical progression.

mostlyharmless Wed 28-Aug-19 11:49:42

If the Government loses a VONC then surely it can’t govern. It would have no majority and no mandate.
It shouldn’t be up to them to say they refuse to go.

Blinko Wed 28-Aug-19 11:50:16

I would like to know this: given the choice, how many Leavers would vote the same again now they are aware of the likely consequences of No Deal?

Many of those I've spoken to say they would not change their opinion. They voted to Leave with no thought of any kind of 'deal'. They want OUT.

So whilst I can see that BJ's actions are 'undemocratic' in terms of Parliamentary protocol, are they in fact 'undemocratic' in that they do not reflect the will of the people? It would seem not.

Desperate times, I know. Deep sh*t doesn't begin to describe it.

varian Wed 28-Aug-19 11:51:00

Boris Johnson’s plan to suspend Parliament is not going down well with MPs, not least among some of those on the Tory backbenchers. Dominic Grieve reacted furiously to the news. The Tory MP said the Prime Minister’s decision is ‘outrageous’ – and he threatened to help bring down the Tory Government, even if it means ushering in a Corbyn government. Here is what he had to say on Radio 5 Live:

‘I don’t see how a Prime Minister who persists with this is going to find he is going to get to the 31 October still in office. There will be a vote of no confidence and his government will come down.’

Do you have time?

‘Oh yes, there is plenty of time to do that.’

And you will bring down a Conservative Government?

‘I will certainly bring down a Conservative Government if the Prime Minister persists in following a course of action that is so unconstitutional. Yes.’

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/dominic-grieve-i-will-certainly-bring-down-a-conservative-government/