Seems the jihadi bride Shamima Begum might be coming back to stand trial in the U.K.

Glorybee do you not understand? Saddam Hussein was a dictator installed by the West supported by the West and supplied with arms by the West until such time as they decided they didn't like him and then they sent in troops to remove him and invade Iraq. It's not just the sale of arms it is a sustained policy mostly to maintain the supply of oil to the West. Russia doesn't need it and had the sense to stay out of the region after they tried to control Afghanistan. The West can't or won't do the same.

She knew exactly what she was doing even at 15 years old.

She deliberately chose to look at horrific, graphic terrorist sites from her bedroom, sites which would make even battled scarred soldiers recoil, yet still decided to go.

She poses a huge risk to us here, plus of course if her citizenship is reinstated, that would set a precedent for others to do the same.

No doubt ‘human rights’ lawyers will be clamouring to represent her in what will undoubtedly be a high profile case.

JenniferEccles

She knew exactly what she was doing even at 15 years old.

She deliberately chose to look at horrific, graphic terrorist sites from her bedroom, sites which would make even battled scarred soldiers recoil, yet still decided to go.

She poses a huge risk to us here, plus of course if her citizenship is reinstated, that would set a precedent for others to do the same.

No doubt ‘human rights’ lawyers will be clamouring to represent her in what will undoubtedly be a high profile case.

I assume that is your opinion?

Yes trisher, I do understand! My original point was that the Middle East has always been a volatile part of the world and was so without interference from the contemporary West. Long before the (ridiculous) Crusaders waded in and long, long before Saddam Hussein and the USA came into the picture, the area has fought amongst itself. Personally, and very unfortunately, I don’t think there will ever be lasting peace there.

trisher

Glorybee do you not understand? Saddam Hussein was a dictator installed by the West supported by the West and supplied with arms by the West until such time as they decided they didn't like him and then they sent in troops to remove him and invade Iraq. It's not just the sale of arms it is a sustained policy mostly to maintain the supply of oil to the West. Russia doesn't need it and had the sense to stay out of the region after they tried to control Afghanistan. The West can't or won't do the same.

Russia is at the forefront of the Syrian Civil war. Without Russia, Assad and his murderous regime would not have lasted this long.
It is one of the worst of humanitarian crises and the rest of the world largely ignores it.

If Shamima is allowed to come back to the UK not only could she be a danger but she could also be IN danger.

She is very high profile and there are people in this country who would not hesitate to do her harm.

Callistemon is right about Russian interference and support for Assad in Syria. Huge relief that the HoC learned from Iraq and voted against joining the killing in Syria.
It’s worth remembering Blair isn’t solely responsible for the invasion with thecawful Bush. Parliament voted in favour.

Some of my post was my opinion but some was known facts which is public knowledge.

Callistemon you are right of course. And Russia is supporting Assad. They are responsible along with the Iranians for the defeat of ISIS which makes you think how complicated things are. The US spent an absolute fortune in Syria as well.

The situation in Syria is so complicated, added to which the Kurds, who helped to defeat ISIS, were then attacked by Turkey.
There are over 3.5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey and probably many of them want to go home and rebuild their country.

Assad belongs to a minority sect but is in control.

JenniferEccles

Some of my post was my opinion but some was known facts which is public knowledge.

I am interested in the known facts as I wasn’t aware of much of what you posted.

Would you be so kind as to post links or supply the evidence?
Thank you

No I am not going to post links WWM2! The police examined the girl’s computer and discovered the horrifically gruesome images she had been looking at.

That fact was widely reported at the time.

trisher Because she is a traitor and should be put on trial.

I am so glad this is a forum where all types of views are freely expressed, no pc here! My own view is that if her British nationality is re-instaed, she might go and live with her family, who have decent views and were shocked by her actions. We are a tolerant and forgiving nation, and I do think there are more serious people to get concerned about.

After reading through this thread I am glad that “public opinion” doesn’t hold sway over legal decisions in this country and that we have an independent judiciary, unlike some countries.

No doubt if we had a referendum on Capital Punishment we’d see the return of that.

I wonder if most really think that there’s never any rehabilitation or redemption for those who commit, even terrible crimes, particularly when they are young?

Naively perhaps I like to think there is.

I wonder if most really think that there’s never any rehabilitation or redemption for those who commit, even terrible crimes, particularly when they are young?

Yes there is. There is a most moving account of a teenager who killed a man in a pointless attack, and about the relationship that has developed between him and the mother of his victim. It is being broadcast on Radio 4 at 1.45 pm Monday to Friday this week.
But not something to be achieved easily or quickly, as people seem to think will happen in the case of Shamima Begum.

JenniferEccles

No I am not going to post links WWM2! The police examined the girl’s computer and discovered the horrifically gruesome images she had been looking at.

That fact was widely reported at the time.

Oh right

Usman Khan, had been released early from prison and given permission to enter London to attend a prisoner rehabilitation meeting. Two of the young volunteers lost their lives. I’d hate to see anyone else lose their life so needlessly.

Usman Khan made that brutal attack against those two young and talented people sadly taking their lives. Tickingbird you are right he was on early release and he had been given permission to attend a prisoner rehabilitation meeting.
Naively those who have a say on those matters thought that
Khan was safe to attend when all the time his underlying sinister beliefs were about to unfold.