What does a President Biden mean for the UK?

lemongrove

I don’t think that anyone at this moment, including Biden himself knows what sort of relationship he will have with the UK.We have always had a good relationship with the US and I see that continuing. It has to be remembered that Democrats are a ‘broad church’ much like our own political parties, and Biden is more of a centrist.Also, the Democrats are more like the Conservative Party than the Labour Party ( and the Republicans are very right wing.)
The fact, unfortunately that Biden is too old for the job (possibly physically as well as mentally) add to the fact that we don’t know what he will be like.
The main thing in his favour all round, is that he isn’t Trump.
DT is so quixotic and his thought processes so random that I don’t think we could ever have hoped for anything much from him anyway.
Biden has to be better for the whole world than Trump!

Are you actually saying that Biden hasn’t given any thought of the USA relationship with the U.K. ?

I find this somewhat perturbing.
In a tweet, the former vice president and current presidential candidate said: “We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit.
“Any trade deal between the US and UK must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period.”

Aimed at the Irish- American vote. (is anyone in that country simply American?). He can express his opinions, but he does not tell us what to do.
"We can't allow........ Period."
Indeed!

Yes WW I am saying exactly that, this is a man that introduced his own grand daughter as his ( deceased) son recently.He may have had thoughts on it in the past, but who knows what he thinks now ( his thoughts will be solely on the US) and who knows what the people surrounding him in the White House will be advising.

It sounds to me that Biden will have to be propped up....on just about everything from now on.
Why the hell couldn’t the Democrats have fielded a better and younger candidate?!

lemongrove

Yes WW I am saying exactly that, this is a man that introduced his own grand daughter as his ( deceased) son recently.He may have had thoughts on it in the past, but who knows what he thinks now ( his thoughts will be solely on the US) and who knows what the people surrounding him in the White House will be advising.

Then you haven’t been reading much about Biden. I refer you to rosecarmels post

lemongrove

It sounds to me that Biden will have to be propped up....on just about everything from now on.
Why the hell couldn’t the Democrats have fielded a better and younger candidate?!

Do you know anything about Biden?

Yes, thanks, I do.
Unfortunately he is well past his sell by date.
He will be relying on his staff for everything that goes on in the future.

But if you have full confidence in his mental powers, that’s fine by me.

Trump was always going to be a loose cannon and too variable in temperament to be any good for the UK in any case.

lemongrove

It sounds to me that Biden will have to be propped up....on just about everything from now on.
Why the hell couldn’t the Democrats have fielded a better and younger candidate?!

You're right, lemongrove- He's not a puppet, BUT his administration will have to do a lot of propping- And as you can see his wife will be a Democratic version of Nancy Reagan- But much more involved- He will need input out the wazoo! Not to mention the Left is going to PUSH bigtime-

I see it this way, due to the fact that he will need a lot of propping, it will be like having many, many presidents instead of just one that usually struggles to get stuff done-

I don’t necessarily think that a bad thing rose

I think it's a bonus, WW- Biden chose someone for Vice President that he ran against in the primary: Kamala Harris-
And everyone that ran against him in the primary supported his run for president once he was chosen- And everyone that ran against him, each having their own areas of expertise, will not only benefit a Biden presidency but be much more representative of the people that voted for them during the primary- It's a win win-

The only thing that would taint that unique chemistry would be involving the Obamas- Which would make working with the Republicans very difficult and cause in party upset as well- Obama was an exclusive president who while in office had his "chosen few" whereas Biden is going to have to be "inclusive" in order to get anything done -

rose well I certainly think that he is making all the right noises, so America will have to wait and see.

I think his inclusive politics will also explain his attitude to Johnson and the EU.

As I pointed out on the other thread Biden said

“Politics is about cooperation and compromise.......“

Some people need to take that on board in this divided country of ours.

Biden is showing the wisdom of age.

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Here’s a thought.

If like the American television had the courage to turn Trump off every time he lied this week, our television companies did the same every time Johnson lied.......

We would never see him again??

Whitewavemark2

*rose*. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

I used to admire Obama, but his ‘Britain will be back of the queue’ remark put me right off him.

Calendargirl

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

I used to admire Obama, but his ‘Britain will be back of the queue’ remark put me right off him.

A remark based on fact. You might have found it uncomfortable, but this will now happen with Biden.

They do what is best for American interest and the EU takes priority, first, second and last.

Whitewavemark2

*rose*. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

I’ve been in the phone to my son (for hours!!) and putting the world to rights and we chatted about the puzzle of Obama and that is exactly the conclusion we came to?.

We are also not sure that Biden will change much either.

To what extent can you blame either of them being scuppered by the two houses?

But we do think it will make a big difference in the U.K.

It is becoming quite clear that Biden looks very dimly on Johnson, who sees him as a physical and emotional clone of Trump. Biden sees Johnson as a right wing populist cut from the same cloth as Trump.

He isn’t wrong.

Biden also remembers the jibes Johnson made against Obama, and Biden has a long memory.

Johnson’s close personal relationship with Trump has not gone down well with Biden.

This all adds up to a much more difficult position for No 10 and Brexit.

Whitewavemark2

rosecarmel

Whitewavemark2

rose. Would be interested to understand your comments about Obama.

You must know that he is highly admired in the U.K. but you seem to be luke warm.

So what is the reason for your attitude. I’d be really interested in finding out?

Think about it this way, Obama received overwhelming support- Twice- But half the people that voted him into office didn't receive anything for offering it- They were ignored- As a result, it paved the way for Trump-

Votes for Obama were cast from hope- Votes for Trump cast from frustration-

Together, they brought out the worse in those that were ignored-

I’ve been in the phone to my son (for hours!!) and putting the world to rights and we chatted about the puzzle of Obama and that is exactly the conclusion we came to?.

We are also not sure that Biden will change much either.

To what extent can you blame either of them being scuppered by the two houses?

You don't make pacts with devils and not get anything done- Biden is in an unusual position, as I said before, he "owes" those that supported him for the "win": Warren, Sanders, Booker, Kobluchar, Castro, Gillibrand, O'Rourke so forth-

They will be holding Biden's feet to the fire, and we, the people, theirs-

Biden is sort of a Trojan horse- He was chosen because he looks like American Pie -- on the outside- Not scary, like Sanders-

He's going to have to walk a fine line to maintain that appearance while making scary changes in ways that don't disturb the snowflakes-

Whitewavemark2

But we do think it will make a big difference in the U.K.

It is becoming quite clear that Biden looks very dimly on Johnson, who sees him as a physical and emotional clone of Trump. Biden sees Johnson as a right wing populist cut from the same cloth as Trump.

He isn’t wrong.

Biden also remembers the jibes Johnson made against Obama, and Biden has a long memory.

Johnson’s close personal relationship with Trump has not gone down well with Biden.

This all adds up to a much more difficult position for No 10 and Brexit.

Biden will be shifting the narrative from evasive, side-stepping, non-commital statements to actual, direct communication- Straight talk- Which isn't No. 10's strong point- And wasn't Trump's either-

Biden will be seeking allies opposed to seeking out other "chums"-

My son was talking about the green deal which he thinks Biden has dropped. But would that be something that Sanders would be watching?

But how about the Congress and the senate?

Yes I get that he is a straight talker. Something that Johnson and his crony Tories are bad at.

For the first time in my life, I support something that will, in the short term be harmful to our country, in the knowledge that it is the best thing right now for the USA, for the world and therefore ultimately for the UK.

We must let go of short-termism which has done so much damage to our country.