Is Starmer finally getting his team together to fight back?

The latest polls are showing a labour lead.

His wife and her family are Jewish

Anniebach

So Grany ‘wrong type of Jews’ are your shameful words , in my opinion you are ‘the wrong type of Labour Party supporter’.

Anti semitism is still in the party

Thoses attacks on Jeremy Corbyn in last election were terrible and they came back at us at the doors. The media vilified Jeremy Corbyn they knew what they were doing and they why they were doing it. Said Starmer courting the votes of labour members in leadship election

In his acceptance speech he said Jeremy Corbyn is a friend as well as a colleague shows Starmer isnt just a liar he's a snake

What happened to the Forde Report.

Wrong type of Jew was said in a video by an elderly lady Jew a supporter of Palestine and Palestinian rights and who was kicked out of the party.

The pot is calling the kettle black Grany, you use every questionable news/gossip source you can find to discredit Starmer because you don’t like him, but then say that it was appalling when Corbyn, who you do like was discredited by the same method at the last election. Double standards or what?

The fact is that Starmer has little appeal for anyone. It was reported that the Red Wall Tory MPs were almost in tears when the NI increase was announced, they were seeing the end of a very short career as an MP. But what has emerged to counter this huge Tory U turn? Very little from Labour. In fact some of the TV reporting was far more critical than any Labour comments. So Rachel Reeves may have given a good performance in the Hof C but the puublic won't see it

Because if you can't see it Starmer is two faced. Starmer don't inspire people to vote for labour by saying negative things what he doesent want. People want to hear what he does want the vision polices for Labour

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/09/10/voting-intention-con-33-lab-35-8-9-sep?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=VI_9_Sep_2021
This is the latest I could find. It’s a case of the tortoise and the hare.
Charisma is over-rated in politics in my opinion, but at least some of the British voting public are waking up. I speak from the charisma free zone of Wales, where we have competent and consensus seeking Labour - although invisible to most English people I know.

Using a phrase like 'the wrong type of Jew' is a very easy way of trying to make yourself out to be the victim. We can all label ourselves 'the wrong type' of something - the wrong type of Christian/Muslim/Labour/Conservative etc.
When people talk about Keir's delivery not being to their liking I automatically assume they are comparing him to the present incumbent of PM who goes out of his way to entertain but says nothing of great worth and the past incumbent of his own office who was good at working a crowd, but didn't sell on the doorstep. Theresa May was also a victim to this. Politics is serious and the decisions made affect all of us. Sadly, the ability to entertain for the media has become more important than what you actually say.
As for not declaring our Labour policies - why should we? We are not in election mode yet. Keir is right to keep his powder dry and hold his fire. When we are in election mode that's the time to have fresh policies and ideas to put to the voters on the doorstep. Impatience is what gave us the current deal on Brexit and our present PM.

I think he's trying not to gain the attention of the billionaire press by not saying much, that way papers have to concentrate on the many Tory crazy things to fill their pages. I know what people mean when they say he doesn't fight back enough, I just think thats his tactic, he has to be seen to be a safe pair of hands by those who are floating voters.
Labour gets my vote whoever they put in charge.

Zoejory Peter Kyle.

Labour policies? after the pandemic, or should I say during this ongoing pandemic? how to put the finances in a better position?

Labour policies? that is what I want to hear, not wishy washy stuff.

if they don`t tell us how they propose to put this right, well, we can`t accuse them of "going back on them" can we? easy to criticise,

lets just have the policies and the TRUE financial costings!

he national insurance hike to fund social care should have been a major political victory for Labour, personally gift wrapped by Boris Johnson. The policy amounts to a raid on the living standards of workers, whose wages have already been squeezed, to ensure “the children of Surrey homeowners can receive bigger inheritances”, as an unnamed cabinet minister eloquently put it. The new tax won’t even plug the gaps caused by years of cuts: while one 2019 House of Lords study found that social care needed £8bn immediate investment, the new pot of money amounts to just £1.8bn a year.

Labour could have presented a clear alternative, such as taxing capital gains at the same rate as income, which has broad political support and would raise £90bn over five years. It could have pledged to abandon the fragmented, largely privatised model of social care, where much of the care on offer is inadequate and seven in 10 social care workers are paid less than £10 an hour. Taxing the wealthy to build a publicly run care service that provides dignity and security for disabled and elderly people alike could have been a ready-made Labour pitch.

And yet Tory MPs are roaring with jubilation. It’s easy to see why. Labour failed to offer a coherent alternative and allowed Boris Johnson to evade scrutiny by highlighting this absence. Keir Starmer correctly pointed out the Tories were violating an election pledge not to hike NI contributions, but let’s be real here: if Johnson’s supporters cared about his dishonesty, they would have stopped voting for him long ago. Yet Labour seems to think the prime minister’s lack of integrity means he is only ever one scandal away from political ruin.

When Starmer denounced the Tories as “no longer the party of low tax” on Tuesday, he parroted a narrative that belongs to the right. The Labour leader suggested those with the “broadest shoulders” ought to pay more – but he laid out no plan for what this alternative might mean. Indeed, Starmer’s team often seem pathologically hostile to the idea that the interests of the majority of voters are on a collision course with those of elites. Instead, they prefer to emphasise competence, seeing politics as a matter of process rather than opposing interests.

This leaves the electorate cold. The art of politics is forcing your opponent into a defensive posture (as Ronald Reagan once put it, “When you’re explaining, you’re losing”). If Labour had spent the past few weeks campaigning for a hike on capital gains tax to solve the care crisis, its MPs could have asked why the Tories weren’t expecting the wealthy to pay up rather than shifting the burden on to low-paid checkout assistants, nurses and care workers.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/10/johnson-tax-workers-labour-starmer-tories?fbclid=IwAR0CwacckhgDuA_1yLGddTVUldByGgY33GCYwlYjYvLTqoAwMzU4HlaIZwY

If you really want to know what the Labour Party stands for I suggest that you read the the Labour Manifesto 2019 Easy Ready Summary. This will tell you what you want to know. Obviously, Corbyn was party leader at that time but the ideals of the LP are pretty much the same, then as now.

We are not quite 2 years into the current Tory government so presumably another 3 years to go.

I think that most people of any intelligence can see what Starmer's trying to do which is to show Johnson up for the charlatan that he is. And most of those people will think that he has achieved his aim.

Just look at the way in which Johnson's popularity is dissipating. How do you think that happened? Certainly not as result of anything written in the right wing press.

Labour voted against the govt's resolution on the NHS and Social Care. There was nothing else that they could do. The Tory Party feared a massive rebellion from within but that didn't happen. And why? Because the Tory MPS want to keep their seats.

The LP are urging Sunak to stop the planned reduction in universal credit. The Tories will no doubt go along with the reduction. Apparently more than 50 MPs are opposed to the cut and are being asked to join Labour in the voting lobbies. Will they? Highly unlikely I would have thought.

I read that one unnamed Conservative MP voted for the social care bill the other night, went home and cried. But he STILL voted for it . Those are the sort of people we have in government at the moment. Keirs legal training makes him realise that it’s sometimes better to just let people incriminate themselves and Johnson is doing that. Even the right wing press are turning against this government and its leader.

Well Tony Blair promised that no one would need to sell their homes to pay for social care back in 1997, at the time I thought wonderful, he’s going to sort this out, well he lied , and never did anything to fulfil those promises, so I’m not saying that the Tories are better, but it’s easy for Labour spout off about what they would do while they are not actually in power, they need to prove themselves up to the job when they regain control, because in the past , they’ve made promises and they’ve reneged on those promises. Politicians….. they’re all the same!

fluff

Well Tony Blair promised that no one would need to sell their homes to pay for social care back in 1997, at the time I thought wonderful, he’s going to sort this out, well he lied , and never did anything to fulfil those promises, so I’m not saying that the Tories are better, but it’s easy for Labour spout off about what they would do while they are not actually in power, they need to prove themselves up to the job when they regain control, because in the past , they’ve made promises and they’ve reneged on those promises. Politicians….. they’re all the same!

Labour aren't spouting off about what they're going to do. That's why some people are moaning about Starmer.

Perhaps turn your ire on the Tories instead fluff.

Jeremy Hunt, Secretary of State for Health, in an interview with the BBC, 10 February 2013

"I repeat no-one, again NO-ONE, can be forced to sell their home to pay for their care"

NB this was 8 years ago, when the Tories were already in power.

I hope he gets his act together soon. I really do, for the sake of folk in this country who are Just About Managing and those who are not managing at all.

It’s increasingly clear: Labour’s leadership has little idea how to win a political fight
After this week’s performance by the Labour party, I say – more in sorrow than in anger – that we can’t go on like this, something’s urgently got to give.

It’s more than a year since a new leadership was elected, but the Labour response to Boris Johnson’s social care announcement demonstrated starkly just how far the party leadership is from having a strategy to deal with him or knowing how to respond to the new political battleground.

Through hard experience you learn the basics of any political fight. You have to nail your opponent and offer a solid alternative.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/11/labour-leadership-boris-johnson-liar-

The suggestions that John McDonnell put forward were all in the last manifesto. He's attacking Labour for not taking the lead but what were they supposed to do? We are still in the midst of the pandemic. Had Labour constantly attacked the govt throughout the last year and a half they would themselves have been under attack because the country needed unity and they would have been accused of playing party politics.

Having read the article I am left wondering where John McDonnell has been these last months. I have seen (on PMQs) Starmer regularly responding to Johnson's lies with the truth. He wasn't the only one to this. Ian Blackford has done so on many occasions. Increasing numbers of people are becoming aware of Johnson's fallibilties. Unfortunately, as with Brexit, there will be people who cannot admit that they made a mistake, such as those who are in the Red Wall constituencies.

In my humble opinion the Labour Party lost the last general election by not voting for Andy Burnham to be their leader and voting Corbyn in instead
Andy would have been PM now and we would not be in the trouble we are in

One of the reasons we lost in 2019 was because we bombarded the electorate with more and more policies until they couldn't see the wood for the trees. They could hear loud and clear 'Get Brexit Done' and, being impatient to do just that, Boris won the day with a massive majority which gives him Carte Blanche. All sections of Labour need to pull together now the pandemic lockdown is receding to at least deliver a much smaller majority, should the Tories win. That involves hard work in every constituency where you actually talk to real voters and discuss their concerns. I will be working for a Labour majority and government.
Had Keir gone in hard at PMQs with a brilliant policy on care what would have been achieved? Boris still has his 80 majority and his policy will pass. The papers are full of the 20th anniversary of 9/11 and probably will be tomorrow as well. Even Boris is getting little coverage, but I imagine he and his PR team knew, and calculated, that. A case of 'Drop the Dead Donkey.'

MaizieD
I can’t let your saying Mark Drakeford is popular pass without comment. Not from where I’m sitting, he isn’t

Oofy

MaizieD
I can’t let your saying Mark Drakeford is popular pass without comment. Not from where I’m sitting, he isn’t

He's growing on me, Oofy.
Let's face it, compared to some of our other UK politicians, he seems quite sensible.