Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

Maudi

Well I'm from a working class background but please Angela Rayner having a go at Raab did herself and Labour no favours.

Must say that I agree with you there.Raab didn’t look rattled at all, in fact he became extra courteous in answering her.
I don’t know if Raynor always sounds like that or is laying it on with a trowel ( working class people will understand the word pound instead of quid)?
The trouble is....whilst no doubt an intelligent person, her speech made her sound thick.Was she playing to the gallery in hoping that former red wall voters would be watching?
I should think few people other than retirees watch PMQ’s at the best of times.If Labour win the next GE then Raynor ( if still in place) will hold an important position and should try and sound the part.Accents don’t matter two hoots, but speaking properly does.

Neither me or our husband got our education via the traditional route. I left home before I was 18 and had all my children in my late teens/early 20s. My husband was working but I had to claim carers allowance and DLA as one of my children had a disability

The smile and extra courtesy in his reply showed clearly how rattled he was.

Most of us have our regional accents parts of which you never lose or want to. Though you do need to speak especially in parliament so that everyone can understand you, I did think good for you girl you've got him rattled .
Gavin Williamson did have trouble with his Northern accent, and it can hold you back from being natural, it's a bit like having to speak French you have to translate in your head before you say anything . I can remember being very conscious about my northern vowels as a student until some of us were picked up by a posh public school girl and a friend retorted it's a bath, not a baath and an ass, not an arse nothing was ever said or laughed at again.

lemon grove, I’m afraid your comment that accents don’t matter is wrong, as shown by your earlier comment that AR ‘sounded thick’
Ask anyone with a northern accent - we tend to have points knocked off our IQ by those who look down on northeners

I find myself in agreement with the Telegraph, must be a first.

Raab was like a wet lettuce and Rayner is a flame haired fury.

If only she wasn't so common.

Who was that who reverted to slang when excited, during the Eighties? Frit, remember? Oh yes, another woman who wouldn't take no for an answer. But she could pass for posh, so that was OK.

She didn’t have the best start in life and yes does come over and a bit rough and ready, that’s all credit to her for speaking in the house. I admire people that don’t let their background determine the rest of their life, does it matter if she’s not polished, she speaks from the heart and seems to know her facts, she shows a bit of naïveté in certain things, but very she will get better. I am not on her side politically but I like her and honestly some of the stuffed shirts we have irritate me.

BlueBelle

I like her I like to know where I am with someone I d rather someone was plain speaking and dear oh dear ‘uncouth’ than a snake in the grass with posh vowels and hands in everyone’s pockets whilst pretending to care

The thing is.... unless you subscribe to the idea that all people who are/ were from working class backgrounds are honest upstanding citizens and anyone who can be labelled as posh
Being a snake in the grass, then things are not so clear cut.

Iam64

lemon grove, I’m afraid your comment that accents don’t matter is wrong, as shown by your earlier comment that AR ‘sounded thick’
Ask anyone with a northern accent - we tend to have points knocked off our IQ by those who look down on northeners

We do. I'm from the Midlands but have lived down South for many decades. I am judged as soon as I open my mouth and I'm not over sensitive. I have a rhino hide

Iam64

lemon grove, I’m afraid your comment that accents don’t matter is wrong, as shown by your earlier comment that AR ‘sounded thick’
Ask anyone with a northern accent - we tend to have points knocked off our IQ by those who look down on northeners

I don’t need to ask anyone with a Northern accent....I am one.
Never found it to be a drawback either, but I spoke properly albeit with an accent. Raynor sounded thick because of the way that she spoke not because of any accent.

There are dishonest people in all social classes from all backgrounds and education mixes, with and without accents.

Kali2

The smile and extra courtesy in his reply showed clearly how rattled he was.

Determined to say he was rattled eh?

JaneJudge

There are dishonest people in all social classes from all backgrounds and education mixes, with and without accents.

Exactly.

All Credit to her, how much harder was it for her to get where she is than the likes of those who were lucky enough to attend the best public schools and universities and who had a much easier ride, always knowing someone who knows someone who can help them on their way up the greasy pole.
It’s refreshing to see real passion and she will know more than most of the rest how hard life can be for those who are not so lucky.

You couldn't see Angela Rayner representing the UK on the world stage if Labour (God forbid) ever got into power, yes The Telegraph got it right she's too common and that's nothing to do with her accent it's just how she presents herself and what comes out of her mouth remember when she called the Tory MP scum lol its just not what is expected of a member of Parliament in my opinion.

Just read the papers lemongrove, hard though it is to take that somebody who sounded ‘thick’ as you put it outsmarted the posh boy, she did. What is the UK coming to?

Yes, all credit to her for getting there, that isn’t disputed.

They are scum though. They issued my daughter with an automatic DNR last year via instructions to GPs via the coronavirus act. My beautiful, in her 20s, full of life daughter, because she had a learning disability. Why aren't people FURIOUS with them? Scum fits in my opinion. They couldn't care less about ordinary people or their families.

Why is it ‘hard to take’ Casdon ? I couldn’t care less.All I know is what I saw on tv at PMQ’s. Raab looked bemused but not rattled IMHO.

Yes Maudi that’s just it, I can’t see Raynor on the world stage but we may see a change in her if Labour get into power.

OMG - Angela Rayner is deemed not suitable to represent the UK on the world stage ? Well what about Boris!!! A scruffier PM would be hard to find, he's hardly statesman like is he?

Rayner.

Her name's Rayner.

Raab always looks bemused. It's because he has no idea what's going on.

Maudi

You couldn't see Angela Rayner representing the UK on the world stage if Labour (God forbid) ever got into power, yes The Telegraph got it right she's too common and that's nothing to do with her accent it's just how she presents herself and what comes out of her mouth remember when she called the Tory MP scum lol its just not what is expected of a member of Parliament in my opinion.

She called the Tory MP Scum lol”. Now there’s a classy turn of phrase

Ah, but Johnson uses a comb when it suits him, which he does when meeting world leaders.?
It’s one of those things...some people think speech doesn’t matter ( not talking accents here) when in the public eye, and some do.Neither view is wrong, it’s just opinion.

I would far rather listen to Angela Rayner give a speech than listen to Boris's dreadful delivery - he can't string a sentence together without it being peppered with ums and ahs; he's not at all easy to listen to.

Galaxy

Sorry I dont understand what you mean urmstongran, so if at some point in her life Jane had been in receipt of benefits that would make her less hard working?

No Galaxy. I meant JJ had an education and she says she worked very hard. Which Angela Rayner didn’t - she left school early and had a baby. I just meant there was no comparison academically. As for being on benefits AR’s lifestyle choices made that a necessity I should imagine.