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POGS Mon 20-Aug-18 20:38:33

This will cause me some flak but this has gone on for so long on Gransnet. Only on one topic Brexit, other occasions GNHQ will say this is a Thread about a Thread and deal with it.

As of this moment there are 7 Brexit threads running on ACTIVE in one hour between 19.12 and 20.12 .

Are they not Threads about a Thread?

The only reason I can see for so many threads on the same subject, the same posts being regurgitated on so many threads by some posters is there is an agenda to keep putting over their opinion on as many threads as they can by initiating new OP titles. As a Brexit metaphor it could be said to be ' Having your cake and eating it'. Instead of the 'debate' flowing they simply move on to make their point over and over again.

What it actually does is exactly what Gransnet says will happen :-

' Similarly, we will delete threads about other ongoing threads, as it causes too much confusion on the forums. '

Occasionally a new Brexit Thread has a reason and that's good but why so many of the same ilk are perpetually on the site eludes me.

Yes I can ignore them but I would prefer a sensible debate that does not get cut off only to be started under another guise.

PamelaJ1 Mon 20-Aug-18 20:54:54

Plus one more POGS ?
I’ve stopped reading them.
I MO there’s nothing we can do about any of it so what’s the point of getting stressed about it all.
It will happen and either we’ll be fine or we won’t.

Jalima1108 Mon 20-Aug-18 21:00:44

I was accused of being 'flippant' on one of the Brexit threads, but quite honestly there are so many that they do invite flippancy.

It will happen and either we’ll be fine or we won’t.
Sounds of Doris Day singing Que Sera, Sera!

Fennel Mon 20-Aug-18 21:07:31

It's similar on the radio chanels we listen to eg LBC.
Lack of other interesting news?

lemongrove Mon 20-Aug-18 21:25:02

You are quite right POGS and if Varian went on her hols there would no doubt only be one Brexit thread.grin

MawBroon Mon 20-Aug-18 22:00:26

Absolutely.
Could they not just be merged under one Brexit umbrella?

jevive73 Mon 20-Aug-18 22:20:20

I will repeat my post..we need a vote on the final deal so I have signed the on-line petition on change.org called final say.

POGS Mon 20-Aug-18 23:38:54

jevive 73

Yes you have repeated your post 4 times on various Brexit threads this evening .

That is my point.

There are so many Threads running simultaneously about Brexit individual posters are repeating ad nauseam the same thing over and over because the debate cannot flow when one thread shuts down and another thread is started about the same subject and keep bouncing back and forth.

It has been this way for 2 years and I genuinely feel some posters who had at one time engaged in sensible debate have simply given up trying to keep up with the copious amount of threads on Brexit with the obvious intention of allowing the same views and opinions to be stated not once, not twice, not even three times but even more on a daily basis.

Jalima1108 Tue 21-Aug-18 00:13:28

Yes you have repeated your post 4 times on various Brexit threads this evening .

That is my point

Nice one POGS grin.

FlexibleFriend Tue 21-Aug-18 07:35:50

I don't read them, well I read part of one and that stops me from reading any more quite frankly.

BlueBelle Tue 21-Aug-18 07:51:03

I don’t read them either the country is so divided, so sad, so wilted that whilst I will never give up on my point of view neither will the leavers so it’s a total stalemate and talking it over and over, regurgitating the same thing is not going to help anybody it will probably need to be a whole generation or even two before people will be far enough removed to work together again
I will not see the chasm healed in my lifetime whichever way it eventually goes which is very very sad

PamelaJ1 Tue 21-Aug-18 08:10:44

Jalima,
Don’t think it’ll be a no.1 hit though.

FarNorth Tue 21-Aug-18 08:22:11

I hadn't noticed there were several Brexit threads as I haven't been reading any of them.

POGS, is it that you want to discuss Brexit but feel all the threads are stuck in a rut? Or what?

Even if they have similar views expressed in them, they are threads about Brexit not about threads.

oldbatty Tue 21-Aug-18 08:37:20

Bluebell, I kind of agree with you but that is so profoundly depressing, what can we do?
Just plod on with our lives and try to maintain some sense of perspective.

POGS Tue 21-Aug-18 10:29:05

Far North

"POGS, is it that you want to discuss Brexit but feel all the threads are stuck in a rut? Or what?"

I am very happy to discuss Brexit but sensibly and that is my my point. Having so many threads started which are discussing/debating the exact same does not allow for a 'flow' of discussion. To engage in the debate posters are repeating their views/opinions over and over again in the space of even an hour as happened last night and has I have noted this is nothing new.

There is no logic to having so many threads regurgitating the same views/opinions running concurrently and it is blatantly clear the reason behind the majority , not all, OP's are to merely create as many threads as possible to enable posters not one, not two but numerous times to post the same comments and sadly to legitimately make insulting comments which is their want. This situation has been allowed to fester for 2 years so I hold no hope of change but at least I have brought attention to the issue, albeit only a handful of posters will no doubt care or share my opinion.

My reason for stating my opinion is not Brexit but the fact having so many threads on the same subject does create the situation whereby posters who would engage become bored, , switched off , do not have the appetite to repeat their posts on copious threads hourly, daily to get their view/opinion known or engage in debate.

The irony is having so many threads the message is lost if posters have stopped engaging and only an ' echo ' is heard.

Jalima1108 Tue 21-Aug-18 10:51:01

Don’t think it’ll be a no.1 hit though.
What a pity Pamela, I'm always croaking singing it
I had hoped to get to No 1 at Christmas

Jalima1108 Tue 21-Aug-18 10:54:15

It reminds me of a cow endlessly chewing the cud - but even a cow only has four stomachs. A blue whale has seven.

Was that flippant enough?

Fennel Tue 21-Aug-18 11:00:21

I occasionally put a comment on one of them, and go back later to see if it was replied to. But can't find it without looking at all 7.
Actually I could probably find it by looking in I'm On.

varian Tue 21-Aug-18 11:46:52

Brexit could be the most significant political event of our lifetimes. It is an extremely complex question, which is why it should never have been put to a referendum.

Perhaps we need more brexit threads - to discuss the many aspects of our national life which are threatened by brexit- international trade, road transport, aviation, science and engineering, medicine and the supply of vital drugs, research, funding and staffing the NHS, manufacturing including JIT supply chains, agriculture and food supplies, the effect on professional services, the drop in the value of the pound, security and the question of the Irish border, immigration and the treatment of EU nationals living in the UK and British citizens in the other EU27 countries and many more issues.

It is also relevant to look at the way the referendum was conducted and the discredited leave campaign, found guilty of cheating by the electoral commission, the shady characters including foriegn billionaires who used data-mining and targeted messages to influence voters, the overwhelming bias in the press, whose ultra-wealthy proprietors are among the very few who could possibly gain from brexit, and we should also look at political theory, such as the Overton Window theory which shows how formerly unacceptable views and policies can be made to seem mainstream and the involvement of Russia, in both the Trump election and the EU referendum.

I realise that not everyone is interested in all of these aspects of brexit and some may not be interested in any, either because they are bored and don't care or they do not want their preconceptions challenged by information. One of the great successes of the leave propaganda was the "British people have had enough of experts" remark which been taken as a license to ignore facts and warnings from all manner of knowledgable and experienced people.

It is, to me, so telling that the leavers on Gransnet want to limit or shut down the brexit threads, just as they continue to repeat lies and make personal attacks. I know very well that I am not the only Remain supporter on GN but if I thought I was, I would redouble my efforts to make people see sense in time, before a member of my family dies for lack of essential medicine and we condemn our children and grandchildren to a bleak and empoverished future. Fortunately Mumsnet contains many more brexit threads which I recommend. They can be found grouped together at-

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_

lemongrove Tue 21-Aug-18 13:26:29

which posts from Leavers are lies or personal attacks?
None at all from what I can see.

Repeating the same old things ad nauseam on seven threads on Brexit is downright ridiculous.

Mumsnet is full of Chicken Littles crying that the sky will shortly be falling in.

NatashaGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 21-Aug-18 13:52:31

Hi all,

We're aware that there are multiple threads on Brexit, but we consider them to be threads about the same topic and not about a specific thread, which doesn't warrant their deletion.

We've also posted similar on this thread: www.gransnet.com/forums/site_stuff/1251397-Lengthy-cut-and-paste-acceptable-or-not?pg=6.

Hope this clears it up!

smile

Jalima1108 Tue 21-Aug-18 14:45:18

Repeating the same old things ad nauseam on seven threads on Brexit is downright ridiculous.
It does get very confusing with seven threads. Most of the discussion is on very similar themes, so why not have consecutive threads?
Some of them get to nowhere near the 1,000 post limit.

POGS Tue 21-Aug-18 14:50:30

Natasha

I posted to Laura on that thread.

Yep, you have answered the question and I am not surprised by the decision but remain confused as to why discussing the 'same topic' on several threads is not discussing other threads ' on the same topic' , a Thread about a Thread.

Ah well if a thread is started, stopped, pops up again and again on new threads the same topic is is not a criteria for being called a thread about a thread.

I will stick with my view. " The irony is having so many threads the message is lost if posters have stopped engaging and only an ' echo ' is heard."

Thanks anyway.

GillT57 Tue 21-Aug-18 17:53:46

A subject so massively important and potentially life changing as Brexit cannot and should not be dismissed or ignored. If people do not wish to engage and wish to stick their head in the sand about this potential catastrophe they may do so, but I shall carry on discussing Brexit as the nearer it gets, the more I am concerned.

Jalima1108 Tue 21-Aug-18 18:03:12

No, it shouldn't *GillT57 - but having seven threads, sometimes with some people saying the same thing on each one or posting the same links on each one is confusing and unnecessary and does not move the discussion forward or make any difference whatsoever.