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Parents deliberately winding up children

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Vintagejazz Mon 13-Jun-22 11:53:26

We went out for lunch yesterday and had to tolerate a father at a nearby table deliberately making monster like faces at his toddler, causing the child to scream and then screech with laughter. This went on and on, the child getting louder and louder. Just as we were about to have a word with a member of staff, someone from another table called over to the father 'can you cut that out please. We can't hear ourselves think'. The father looked a bit shocked but stopped, thank goodness.

I've seen this happen before - parents deliberately winding their children up to ever louder and more hysterical shouting and laughing in cafés and restaurants. I mean, playing and interacting with your children is great, but encouraging them to scream and shriek in public places is a different matter.

AIBU to think parents like this should have more awareness?

Grandpanow Wed 15-Jun-22 12:04:15

I have noticed that many people of the GN generation tend to believe anyone in the service industry is personally employed by them. I saw a woman ask her waiter to go fetch her purse out of her car while the poor man had five tables waiting on him.

In any case, as decency element, I do think if you genuinely fear “abuse”, then sending a manager to do it isn’t any better. Why does the manager have to be “badly injured” so that you can eat in the peace and quiet you want? There’s nothing preventing the OP from leaving (as would be reasonable if there is a genuine fear of physical attacks).

Callistemon21 Wed 15-Jun-22 12:07:03

I have noticed that many people of the GN generation tend to believe anyone in the service industry is personally employed by them. I saw a woman ask her waiter to go fetch her purse out of her car while the poor man had five tables waiting on him.

I am sure she is unusual and I do not believe that many people of the GN generation tend to believe anyone in the service industry is personally employed by them.

Grandpanow Wed 15-Jun-22 12:08:28

Based on the comments here, she’s not unusual for this thread. Perhaps for the wider population.

Vintagejazz Wed 15-Jun-22 12:21:24

Grandpanow

I have noticed that many people of the GN generation tend to believe anyone in the service industry is personally employed by them. I saw a woman ask her waiter to go fetch her purse out of her car while the poor man had five tables waiting on him.

In any case, as decency element, I do think if you genuinely fear “abuse”, then sending a manager to do it isn’t any better. Why does the manager have to be “badly injured” so that you can eat in the peace and quiet you want? There’s nothing preventing the OP from leaving (as would be reasonable if there is a genuine fear of physical attacks).

Oh for goodness sake. It is perfectly normal to bring bad behaviour in a public place to the attention of management. They have policies, procedures, access to security staff sometimes.

AussieNanna Wed 15-Jun-22 12:24:41

tickingbird

*Aussienanna*. As related upthread “polite requests” aren’t always met with a similar response. I can only speak about the UK but people are becoming more aggressive - women too.

Mentioning it to a member of staff is appropriate as they have back up and usually have procedures in place for any incidents. Thankfully the chap was fine, didn’t realise how loud he was being and stopped. Not all men would and sometimes small incidents such as this end up with people being badly injured or worse. I don’t blame the OP for being loathe to speak to him herself.

well, can only speak from my own experience - where most people are nice if you are nice to them.

But, sure, if you are not confident speaking to him directly, ask a staff member to do so.

I personally prefer people to speak to me directly if they have a problem with me.

seems extremely unlikely anyone would get injured or worse in this sort of situation.

it was a father having fun with his toddler and not realising it had got too noisy - thats all.
Not something I would think needs an official procedure to deal with

Grandpanow Wed 15-Jun-22 12:27:47

I have never had to ask staff to speak to another customer for me while dining. So I wouldn’t consider it normal behavior at all.

AussieNanna Wed 15-Jun-22 12:34:53

No, neither have I.
And a father getting a bit loud with his toddler hardly seems a case for security staff.

or even something that comes under bad behaviour - they were just getting a bit loud, thats all - and stopped as soon as they were made aware of it.

I have had occasion to ask people to lower their volume at work - and I politely ask people in the waiting room - its getting bit loud, could you lower your volume please - and they do
Sometimes people just don't realise how loud they have become, thats all.

Hithere Wed 15-Jun-22 13:01:28

This is a father playing with his kid - where does the concern come from about being violent for being called out?
That's catastrophic thinking

"Cut it out" and "we cannot hear ourselves thinking" was not a very polite way to request the father to stop the activity

I agree that if I have an issue with a fellow patron, I politely point it out.
No need to involve the staff.

Vintagejazz Wed 15-Jun-22 15:20:50

The concern was about getting a rude or dismissive or defensive response. My friend used to run a restaurant and they preferred problems to be raised with staff rather than customers getting into altercations, which happened several times.

tickingbird Wed 15-Jun-22 15:32:11

Grandpanow

Based on the comments here, she’s not unusual for this thread. Perhaps for the wider population

I haven’t seen any comments on here that would lead anyone to believe certain posters think service industry staff are their personal servants.

As for getting up and leaving, that’s the last thing the restaurant would want. Strange that you would rather they lose custom over such a trivial matter - it’s people’s livelihoods.

tickingbird Wed 15-Jun-22 15:37:06

Aussienanna The OP asked if people in restaurants etc should have more self awareness not if she or anyone else should ask them to be quiet. Maybe you, yourself, are comfortable asking people to stop doing something you don’t like but not everyone is.

VioletSky Wed 15-Jun-22 15:57:11

Yes the man who rudely asked him to quiet down certainly wasnt worried about a rude response...

I agree asking politely would have been fine and definitely saved poor dad some embarassment and hurt

Grandpanow Wed 15-Jun-22 16:00:13

tickingbird

Grandpanow

Based on the comments here, she’s not unusual for this thread. Perhaps for the wider population

I haven’t seen any comments on here that would lead anyone to believe certain posters think service industry staff are their personal servants.

As for getting up and leaving, that’s the last thing the restaurant would want. Strange that you would rather they lose custom over such a trivial matter - it’s people’s livelihoods.

People leave restaurants all the time for a variety of reasons. I suppose you speak from experience, but I’m lucky enough to have never caused the immediate shut down of a place by picking up dinner at a different venue that evening.

The burn out rates in the service industry, have , however been linked to economic problems for diners. When polled, demanding and rude customers have been cited as a reason for leaving the majority of the time.

Be kind. Be reasonable. Don’t think too highly of yourself. This approach leads to much fewer altercations with other patrons (in my experience, absolutely none, in fact).

Hithere Wed 15-Jun-22 16:00:43

Restaurants should have two areas:
1. If you are ok to seat with family with kids
2. No kids

Smileless2012 Wed 15-Jun-22 16:09:59

Be kind. Be reasonable. Don't think too highly of yourself. Good advice for the father to adhere to in the future.

Grandpanow Wed 15-Jun-22 16:16:11

smile yes he did it well, didn’t he? Some rude person yelling across the restaurant, but he simply quieted down and didn’t stoop to their level.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 15-Jun-22 16:21:00

Exactly Grandpanow

Smileless2012 Wed 15-Jun-22 16:33:24

The OP says the diner "called over", no mention of yelling across the restaurant.

VioletSky Wed 15-Jun-22 16:35:40

Grandpanow

smile yes he did it well, didn’t he? Some rude person yelling across the restaurant, but he simply quieted down and didn’t stoop to their level.

Decent man and father

tickingbird Wed 15-Jun-22 17:09:28

This is quite hilarious.

I’m now accused of causing a restaurant to close down grin

Grandpanow. Please practice what you preach. No need to be kind where I’m concerned but please don’t invent scenarios regarding me and restaurants.

Where’s the OP? Have you lost the will to live yet? ??

icanhandthemback Wed 15-Jun-22 17:38:10

Smileless2012

The OP says the diner "called over", no mention of yelling across the restaurant.

Child having fun with father...a big no because of the noise level. Another customer calling over the restaurant because he was irritated acceptable. There is a certain irony.

Br4ve Wed 15-Jun-22 18:02:04

Perhaps so, but part of interaction is teaching social skills to children from a young age. I don't mean that a child has to behave like an adult, but the father in that scenario was behaving like a child ( in a not positive way). I have taught young people for many years, and you can tell the difference between those whose parents have taught children how to behave in different environments, and those who think every place is their playground or living room..

Smileless2012 Wed 15-Jun-22 18:06:37

Exactly Br4ve no one's suggested that children 'should be seen and not heard' but it's the responsibility of parents to teach their children social skills and I agree, that in this case it was the father who was behaving like a child.

Vintagejazz Wed 15-Jun-22 18:25:59

Grandpanow

smile yes he did it well, didn’t he? Some rude person yelling across the restaurant, but he simply quieted down and didn’t stoop to their level.

Where did I say anyone yelled rudely across the restaurant?

Vintagejazz Wed 15-Jun-22 18:26:44

tickingbird

This is quite hilarious.

I’m now accused of causing a restaurant to close down grin

Grandpanow. Please practice what you preach. No need to be kind where I’m concerned but please don’t invent scenarios regarding me and restaurants.

Where’s the OP? Have you lost the will to live yet? ??

Beginning to grin