Trans Teacher

No, its a fashion choice and a lot of hysteria

The clue is in the OP "Trans Teacher" when this person has been described as identifying as a man..

The idea that schools are somehow encouraging gender dysphoria is also nonsense. We have very little to do with anything except ensuring that anti discrimination polices and acts are in place.

This thread started out bonkers and fact free and continued to be bonkers and fact free

Except glorianny who speaks sense

Yes some information in your posts isnt accurate.

glorianny nailed everything she has said

As I said before, it takes a rather large amount of gaslighting to keep a thread based on an untruth going for this many pages

Any self respecting person would have said "whoops bye" the first time it was pointed out and listened to the many many women on the first goes who do not care if a man wears a skirt because it's just a skirt, not a political statement

The OP, who chose the title hasn't been back, and the fact that the teacher may or may not exist, never mind be trans was mentioned ages ago, so nobody is persisting in 'gaslighting' . You're another who doesn't appear to know what it means, although is very good at doing it yourself.

Have you taken on board the fact that it is the context in which the skirt is being worn (actually or hypothetically) that is concerning posters, not the skirt itself? Or are you also choosing to ignore that, but persistently deviate the thread towards either irrelevancies or insults to others?

Doodledog :
Can you please cite these so called experts that say gender affirming treatment is not helpful ? I have been following a few transgender people on Tik Tok where they talk about their experiences. It is very enlightening. It does very much help them. You like to write a lot but with little fact. There was recently a family in Britain that lost their daughter by suicide because of the over long wait list for gender affirming treatment. Thanks to VioletSky for being a voice of kindness and reason.

Theexwife

Whatever someone wants to be known as is fine by me, it doesn’t affect me and if it pleases them then why not?

I think this whole discussion is about a bit more than that.

doodledog

I know I don't gaslight, I've done therapy, counselling and emotional abuse courses, and I have always told you the truth... trust me, you and your friends accusations were enough to rattle me and made me extremely worried until I made sure I was ok

I don't know why it never concerns you enough to reflect on your behaviour even slightly

Syracuse
I googled (as you easily could) results about gender affirming treatment.
If you do that you will find numerous posts which say it is/is not helpful.
I don’t know which experts Doodledog may be thinking of, but I can guarantee that you will like the posts that support your viewpoint.
There was recently a family in Britain that lost their daughter by suicide because of the over long wait list for gender affirming treatment
Equally there are families who have lost children by suicide because their gender affirming treatment didn’t solve the problems that the children believed would be solved, but rather, left them with irreversible additional problems.

Thank you for saying that Syracute

Mollygo Google has every answer you want it to have. You could Google "The benefits of eating dog poo" and you would find an expert telling you it is a great idea. Most of us would never eat dog poo no matter what Google says.

Listening to actual trans people who have been successfully treated will quickly show you that for them, transition was the right choice. Those people matter

And yet you often tell people to google???? You quote papers you've found on google that are years old and not peer reviewed if they agree with your viewpoint.
There are plenty of people on twitter who bitterly regret the surgery and cross sex hormones they took that have permanently altered their bodies. Do you ever listen to them? The ones that say far more counselling is needed before committing to such drastic measures.

VioletSky

No, its a fashion choice and a lot of hysteria

The clue is in the OP "Trans Teacher" when this person has been described as identifying as a man..

The idea that schools are somehow encouraging gender dysphoria is also nonsense. We have very little to do with anything except ensuring that anti discrimination polices and acts are in place.

This thread started out bonkers and fact free and continued to be bonkers and fact free

Except glorianny who speaks sense

The clue is in the OP "Trans Teacher" when this person has been described as identifying as a man..

That is the title the OP chose to use. We do not know if it is accurate or not.

Her information is hear-say... second hand.

We don't know any factual details and there is no context other than he's a male teacher wearing a skirt. It could, for all we know, just be gossip.

But it has raised questions which are now being discussed - so we are not really any longer discussing the teacher.

There is no hysteria VS. When people argue, the discussion goes back and forth. That's the nature of social media.

No-one on here is commenting with uncontrollable emotion or excitement which is the definition of "hysteria".

Posters might be forceful with their comments - but that is not hysteria, either. It is also the nature of debate on social media.

Suggesting that everyone except Glorianny is "bonkers" on this thread is also 'fact-free', and entirely your subjective opinion.

... and a tactic used by those who want to close down debate and invalidate anyone's opinion other than their own.

That post to VioletSky

VioletSky

Mollygo Google has every answer you want it to have. You could Google "The benefits of eating dog poo" and you would find an expert telling you it is a great idea. Most of us would never eat dog poo no matter what Google says.

Listening to actual trans people who have been successfully treated will quickly show you that for them, transition was the right choice. Those people matter

I can go in TikTok or X and read/listen to heartbreaking accounts of people who aren’t happy with their treatment, who are devastated with outcome for their future lives
You believe the things that support your viewpoint.
Those for whom it worked and continues to work are the fortunate ones and they are welcome to say so on social media.
For those who are now irreversibly sterile or damaged or faced with physical problems as well as regret of their choice, the treatment was wrong. Some are happy to share their negative experience. Others feel their life is over and don’t want to share on TikTok or wherever.

Rosie51

And yet you often tell people to google???? You quote papers you've found on google that are years old and not peer reviewed if they agree with your viewpoint.
There are plenty of people on twitter who bitterly regret the surgery and cross sex hormones they took that have permanently altered their bodies. Do you ever listen to them? The ones that say far more counselling is needed before committing to such drastic measures.

If the research is not "peer reviewed" or it is "old" it's because that sort of research is underfunded. That doesn't mean it is not relevant... it is not an excuse to poo at it. 21 differences in 17 genes found in trans people is not nothing

The entire medical community however has decided that transition is an effective treatment

Syracute

Doodledog :
Can you please cite these so called experts that say gender affirming treatment is not helpful ? I have been following a few transgender people on Tik Tok where they talk about their experiences. It is very enlightening. It does very much help them. You like to write a lot but with little fact. There was recently a family in Britain that lost their daughter by suicide because of the over long wait list for gender affirming treatment. Thanks to VioletSky for being a voice of kindness and reason.

Someone with more knowledge than I have can answer that, if that's ok? As I said in my post, I am not best placed to know names etc. I would be reduced to googling, which obviously you could do yourself, so there would be no point .

Mollygo again, that doesn't mean it isn't the right treatment for the right people...

You guys are the ones who cheer when clinics are closed, who denounce any organisation that wants to support trans people... when what you should be asking for is more funding and better treatment to ensure no mistakes are made.

You have it all backwards

Some people need to transition in order to successfully treat gender dysphoria and that fact remains.

VS vs
Mollygo again, that doesn't mean it isn't the right treatment for the right people...

Did I say that it wasn’t?
Can you show me where I said that or are you just nitpicking?

Every trans thread still exists.

The entire medical community however has decided that transition is an effective treatment really? The entire medical community? For absolutely everybody with confusion or questions about their sex? I think not!

That 'research' you're so fond of is unproven. Did you read the link I supplied to the study about male and female brains?

You are also guilty of omission there

If the research is not "peer reviewed" or it is "old" it's because that sort of research is underfunded. That doesn't mean it is not relevant... it is not an excuse to poo at it. 21 differences in 17 genes found in trans people is not nothing
No, you are factually wrong here. You put 'peer reviewed' in quotes - do you know what it means? It is vitally important that research is peer reviewed (ie checked for accuracy by other experts in the field) or anyone could put anything online (and many do, of course). The opportunity for spreading disinformation is very clear, surely?

'Old' (again, why the speech marks?) could easily mean 'out of date' in a fast-moving area such as this one.

Neither has anything to do with underfunding, although it would be difficult to get funding for biased research with no ethics committee to oversee it.

The entire medical community however has decided that transition is an effective treatment
At some sort of enormoconference? Who are the 'entire medical community'? When was this decided, and what did they mean by 'transition', and 'effective treatment'? Which other 'treatments' were considered, and why were they rejected?

Rosie51

^The entire medical community however has decided that transition is an effective treatment^ really? The entire medical community? For absolutely everybody with confusion or questions about their sex? I think not!

That 'research' you're so fond of is unproven. Did you read the link I supplied to the study about male and female brains?

There are no fixed points in science

Plenty of theories about why gender dysphoria happens have been put forth

Why aren't you demanding more research so that we can safely identify and treat gender dysphoria instead of showing nothing but pure determination to sweep what already exists under a rug?

VioletSky

Rosie51

The entire medical community however has decided that transition is an effective treatment really? The entire medical community? For absolutely everybody with confusion or questions about their sex? I think not!

That 'research' you're so fond of is unproven. Did you read the link I supplied to the study about male and female brains?

There are no fixed points in science

Plenty of theories about why gender dysphoria happens have been put forth

Why aren't you demanding more research so that we can safely identify and treat gender dysphoria instead of showing nothing but pure determination to sweep what already exists under a rug?

How do you know what I am or am not demanding? You assume an awful lot! Why are you so determined to put ever more people on a lifetime of cross sex hormones that damage their bodies and render them sterile even if they don't undergo surgery? Why are you so against watchful waiting for children who cannot possibly comprehend what loss of sexual function and sterility mean?