Trans Teacher

Franbern

Why on earth are people so concerned at what a teacher is wearing? As long as it is not too revealing, or specifically flamboant, then I really cannot see how it effects their abilities as a teacher.

Some time back there was the battle as to whether boys in secondary schools could also be permitted to wear the uniform skirts (as opposed to trousers) if they wished. Surely this is just an extension of that.

I really do not understand that this man is
'getting off' by wearing clothes in which he feels comfortable, any more than a female teacher wuld be 'getting off; when wearing trousers to work.

Wonder how many of the females joining in with this and other threads on here wear trousers???

Does not sound as if this teacher is Trans (he identifies as Mr), by what is known as a coss dresser. Not that it makes any difference whatsover to his abilities as a teacher. In a time when our schools have been allowed by government to collapse over the heads of the children, and they have also cut back on salaries earned by hard working teachers and support staff, etc. etc. Surely it really does not matter what a good teacher wears, just that they are a willing and
good teacher.

Cross dressing is for your private life, not your professional one.
If I know schoolchildren there will be many sniggers about this, perhaps confusing children, impressionable. Not on and he should be taken aside and told so. This country has gone bonkers.

Just another transphobic thread

Glad plenty of people are more open minded and dont judge the book by its cover

VioletSky

Hate to break it to you but I have 8 piercings and visible tattoos and work in a classroom

It's never been mentioned by any child or parent. My teacher and I have a very good reputation with parents

Tattoos and piercings are very different. The issue with the male teacher in a skirt is his motivation, and you know very well that it is. One boundary gets pushed, then it will be another, then another……. Abusers can be extremely patient in pursuing their aims.

How good is your reputation actually though? I'd bet good money your reputation in real life is no different to what it is on here, at least with the parents who know what your views are on “TRAnsing” children. I doubt very much that you can honestly say you've never spoken to any of the children in your care about gender identity ideology.

(BTW please don't trouble yourself to compose some sort of justification in reply - I have made it clear to you before I consider your honesty extremely doubtful due to previous statements you've posted on here which were not true.)

Chestnut

Okay, just read above that he was doing it in protest. If that's true then maybe there is another story there, who knows?

Okay VS, so where is the evidence that he did this in protest? In the video he was questioned on his reasons for wearing fake boobs and he said nothing. Surely he would have made his intentions clear if he was protesting.

That was more extreme than just wearing a skirt, but the principle is still the same. People not being challenged for fear of upsetting them over their need to express themselves.

I’m with eazybee. I find tattoos and anything but single ear piercings ugly.

VioletSky

I like dresses with flowers on them doodledog what opinion am I expressing there exactly?

As it's your opinion I can't say 'exactly', but I'll have a go since you ask, as it's an area I find interesting. I'd need a lot more information to be anything like confident though - hair style and colour, choice of accessories etc . Someone with spiky green hair wearing floral dress with opaque tights and DMs is expressing something very different from someone wearing one with a bob and court shoes or ballet flats.

In general though, floral dresses are a conventional choice as dresses like that are widely available and in mainstream fashion, so if you are wearing them for work then you'd give the impression of someone who wants to fit in. If you wear them to do the housework you'd give the impression of someone who values traditional femininity.

Piercings and tattoos are also mainstream these days, and depending on what and where they are will tell those in the know when they were done and probably how old you are. They might express that there was a desire to be 'different' at the time they were inked or pierced, but again, they are not uncommon, so are no longer 'different'. YouGov.co.uk says that 34-38% of Britons aged between 24 and 53 have them. I think that includes you? Figures for piercings are even higher. Excluding earlobes, nearly half the women (46.2%) surveyed aged 16+ years have a body piercing. Of all the piercings in the survey a navel piercing was the most popular (33%), followed by nose (19%), ear (13%), tongue (9%), nipple (9%), eyebrow (8%), lip (4%) and genital (2%)(Source=ScienceDaily.com). So again, fairly mainstream choices. The juxtaposition of a floral dress and several body modifications suggests someone who wants to be seen as rebellious in some way, but also values the safety of a more conventional role.

Would you agree with that assessment, or do you think that you are expressing another opinion in your appearance?

I don't think cultural dress where men wear something akin to a skirt like garment, such as a dhoti, can be compared in any way to man dressing in a female garment. I was at a Hindu wedding recently and dhotis were very much in evidence, entirely in keeping with the climate of a country such as India where they emanate from.

I really hate seeing the picture of that person in Canada who wears, or did wear grossly exaggerated fake breasts. down to their waist with visible nipples, . I think they're a real piss take out of the female form

What you wear says a lot about a person, it’s a way of expressing your personality. It’s about dressing appropriately. . I just feel. repulsed by body piercings,. Know there’s those that don’t mind, but I see the piercings before the person. Don’t think the classroom is the place for promoting your sexual preferences, your political party or religion. It’s to learn, all subjects can be part of the curriculum.

I just like flowery dresses.

Judging by who is repulsed by piercings I need more of them for better protection

VioletSky

People should wear what they want, for themselves

This idea that people are seeking attention by what they wear rather than dressing for themselves leads us to all sorts of problems...

Like the disgusting people who think women are to blame for being raped because of what they wore when it happened

Really? At work?
Vicars taking a service dressed in a bikini?
Shop assistant in gorilla costume?
Bank manager in kinky black pvc outfit?
Of course it matters what you wear at work.
I wouldn’t be happy with the guy in a skirt teaching kids in a primary school, he’s putting his own needs and wants in front of what’s best for his class and the school.
The headteacher won’t know what to do in this situation due to lack of any kind of advice from this government. That’s what we have come to in this country with all the trans nonsense.

Doodledog

Glorianny

Many of the comments on this thread have reminded me of the time gay teachers were afraid to reveal their sexuality and be open about it, because it was alleged they were a danger to children. Those days are passed but prejudice remains.

Here we go again. We are not living in the 1970s. Most of us have long since moved on from the views and prejudices of those days, and many of us didn't subscribe to them even then.

But to humour you - what do you think this teacher is unafraid to 'reveal' now that it is acceptable to be gay? You can't have it both ways - either he is 'just wearing clothing' and it is sexist to comment, or he is making a point about something that he would otherwise have to keep hidden. Is that point about his sexuality, his so-called 'gender', or a sexual kink?

(please don't try to twist what I am asking - it is a question, not a statement)

Noting to do with what he is afraid to reveal, much more to do with the same old prejudices being dished out again just with a different theme.
For gay men aren't safe around children (a common enough statement once) we now have a man in a skirt isn't safe around children
For gay men are sexual exhibitionists substitute a man in a dress is attention seeking
Then there's all the stuff about underwear and opening his legs. It's just prejudice again
Just because you've overcome one form of prejudice doesn't mean you can't have another.

VioletSky

Hate to break it to you but I have 8 piercings and visible tattoos and work in a classroom

It's never been mentioned by any child or parent. My teacher and I have a very good reputation with parents

Hate to break it to you VioletSky but the fact that it's not been mentioned doesn't mean parents and other staff are happy about it. Everybody is frightened to say what they feel these days in case they are accused of being intolerant

Rosie51

Glorianny I don't know the Canadian teacher. Don't know (or indeed need to know) about his boobs. If he is a poor teacher (and there are some and many of them dress very nicely!) he won't last.
I know all about great Ormond Street and other hospitals around the country who deal with long term children's conditions. The nurses have however a dedicated back up team of social workers, health care assistants etc. They don't deal on a daily basis with children living on the edge of neglect with no back up apart from an overworked social worker.

Presumably you saw the photo in that post at 9.52? The one showing his fake porn style enormous breasts with the prominent visible nipples. Yet you can't comment on the suitability to dress like that as a teacher regardless of whether he is a good or poor one? And he's one of your caring set. I should advise you he is now a "woman" and uses female pronouns, so you may wish to adjust how you refer to him. I won't. Good that you acknowledge there are some poor teachers, but contrary to your belief they can last, they just get shuffled around.

Next time I want to know anything about GOSH I'll ask you, the expert who knows "all about" the hospital, not my friend's daughter who actually works there.
You're determined to play Top Trumps and teachers win out, so I'll leave you to it, but there are many, many people who display incredible caring and dedication to the whole well-being of the children they serve who are in other professions.

I think if your read the posts after this it is fairly obvious why I don't comment about random photos of a person I don't know.

Why take it to such a dramatic extreme?

I haven't mentioned abolishing dress codes, we aren't allowed strappy tops or denim... that applies to women or men.

If it is appropriate for a woman to wear a skirt or trousers, why worry if a man does?

It is just fashion and that will always change.

If I were enforcing my opinions with my dress, I'd never be out of pyjamas and my bras would all be in the bin. That thing comes off before my shoes when I walk in the door

Because normal men don't wear skirts dresses.

Oh well eddiescat I can do my job well regardless of people's judgement on my appearance...

And so should anyone because people have all sorts of appearances, fashion senses, birthmarks, scars, deformities...

We do not teach children to judge by appearance or we would not be doing a good job.

Imagine teaching a child to make themselves miserable by going around judging things without getting to know them or understand them. That would be a terrible thing to do

VioletSky

I just like flowery dresses.

You would have said that whatever I'd posted, so why ask if you weren't interested?

FWIW my daughter has tattoos and piercings, as does her partner and many of her friends. They don't impress me one way or the other, but manners do. Asking someone to comment on something then shrugging it off in that rather petulant manner would be very rude whether you were wearing a floral frock, a bilinear or a twinset and pearls.

Bin liner!

Nicenanny3

Because normal men don't wear skirts dresses.

Why do you think your idea of "normal" must apply to everyone else?

I doubt they will listen

Is a man wearing a skirt 'flaunting his sexuality'?? really? In 2023 surely we can all wear what we like. Sigh. Good teaching is all that matters, young children do not care what we/anyone wears, as long as the individual is engaging, caring and, hopefully, as a teacher nurturing and inspirational. I recall a couple of my teachers wearing more 'individual' clothing. However, after a couple of minutes of gawping, if the teacher was worth their salt, what they were wearing was/is an irrelevance.

doodledog

I do not owe you anything in discussion. And I have answered in my own time. That is very entitled of you

15:49VioletSky

Good for you VioletSky you are probably a very good teacher and if you have tattoos and piercings OK that's fine by me but I draw the line at a male teacher wearing a skirt and making out he's a woman in front of my grandchildren who would probably be sniggering behind his back, what's his motive, sexual getting a kick out of it in front of a classroom of innocent children, what?

15:50VioletSky

Nicenanny3

Because normal men don't wear skirts dresses.

Why do you think your idea of "normal" must apply to everyone else?

I doubt they will listen

Normal as in everyday going about their business, how many men do you see in a skirt

We don’t know if this individual is a good teacher or not.
What is this skirt like? Down to the guy’s ankles and worn with mens shoes or medium length with tights and sandals? Or short with hairy legs and stilettos?
Some child will say ‘Sir! Why are you wearing a skirt?’ What will he say? What does he wear on his top half?
It’s just crazy.