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TheHappyGardener Sat 09-Sept-23 23:58:36

My friend’s grandchild has just gone in to Year 4 (so aged 8-9) and her teacher is a man, who identifies as a Mr, but who chooses to wear a skirt to work. I’m all for informed sexual education but at the appropriate time (ie secondary school) - Should his personal sexuality choices be given free rein at primary school age? I think young children should be allowed to be ‘children’, and not have adults flaunting their sexual choices on them. Did we, at primary school, ever have to know or worry about our teachers’ private lives? There’s a time and a place … what he does outside of his working hours is entirely up to him but surely this is not appropriate in a primary school setting?

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:21:36

Glorianny

I think all these people who are setting standards for teachers should actually realise that the profession is actually struggling to recruit and keep staff, particularly in certain subjects. One HT is quoted as saying “They can have a javelin through their nose if they teach math.”

That sounds like an American example - where is the quote from? Regardless though, the HT is basically saying that s/he is desperate enough to ignore usual standards of appearance, which suggests that s/he would place value on them in an ideal world, so it's hardly making a case for unusual appearance in teaching staff.

Do you think that teachers (whilst at work) should be able to wear, say, a T shirt with a Labour Party slogan on it? A Meat is Murder sweatshirt? Carry a 'Britain First' tote bag?

I'm assuming not (but do correct me if that assumption is wrong), as these examples are clearly about making a point, and 'making a point' is not what teachers of primary school children are employed to do. They are employed to teach children to read and write, to learn the basics of a range of subjects, to work together in groups and become independent. Teachers are supposed to be role models but are not supposed to use that relationship to impose their own views on the children in their care.

This seems to be another case of someone making a point. Quite what that point is is debatable, but given that a lot of schools value conformity and punish children for wearing the 'wrong' shoes, coloured hair etc, isn't it unlikely that he is encouraging individuality of expression? I can't help thinking that there is more to it than that.

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:26:27

People should wear what they want, for themselves

This idea that people are seeking attention by what they wear rather than dressing for themselves leads us to all sorts of problems...

Like the disgusting people who think women are to blame for being raped because of what they wore when it happened

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:29:40

Glorianny

Many of the comments on this thread have reminded me of the time gay teachers were afraid to reveal their sexuality and be open about it, because it was alleged they were a danger to children. Those days are passed but prejudice remains.

Here we go again. We are not living in the 1970s. Most of us have long since moved on from the views and prejudices of those days, and many of us didn't subscribe to them even then.

But to humour you - what do you think this teacher is unafraid to 'reveal' now that it is acceptable to be gay? You can't have it both ways - either he is 'just wearing clothing' and it is sexist to comment, or he is making a point about something that he would otherwise have to keep hidden. Is that point about his sexuality, his so-called 'gender', or a sexual kink?

(please don't try to twist what I am asking - it is a question, not a statement)

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:31:17

VioletSky

People should wear what they want, for themselves

This idea that people are seeking attention by what they wear rather than dressing for themselves leads us to all sorts of problems...

Like the disgusting people who think women are to blame for being raped because of what they wore when it happened

Ok, do you think that teachers should be allowed to wear, say, a T shirt with a Labour Party slogan on it? A Meat is Murder sweatshirt? Carry a 'Britain First' tote bag?

If not, why not?

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:32:12

Hate to break it to you but I have 8 piercings and visible tattoos and work in a classroom

It's never been mentioned by any child or parent. My teacher and I have a very good reputation with parents

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:34:14

Who are you breaking this to, VS, and why does it matter?

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:34:28

Slogans are different...

We teach children to have open minds and make their own decisions... personal opinions don't belong in teaching

But I have told you that more times than I can count doodledog, it just doesn't suit you to believe it

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:35:54

The curriculum however, well it's not teachers you need to take that up with and the powers that be will continue to ensure all children are accepted in the classroom

Rosie51 Sun 10-Sept-23 14:40:25

Glorianny I don't know the Canadian teacher. Don't know (or indeed need to know) about his boobs. If he is a poor teacher (and there are some and many of them dress very nicely!) he won't last.
I know all about great Ormond Street and other hospitals around the country who deal with long term children's conditions. The nurses have however a dedicated back up team of social workers, health care assistants etc. They don't deal on a daily basis with children living on the edge of neglect with no back up apart from an overworked social worker.

Presumably you saw the photo in that post at 9.52? The one showing his fake porn style enormous breasts with the prominent visible nipples. Yet you can't comment on the suitability to dress like that as a teacher regardless of whether he is a good or poor one? And he's one of your caring set. I should advise you he is now a "woman" and uses female pronouns, so you may wish to adjust how you refer to him. I won't. Good that you acknowledge there are some poor teachers, but contrary to your belief they can last, they just get shuffled around.

Next time I want to know anything about GOSH I'll ask you, the expert who knows "all about" the hospital, not my friend's daughter who actually works there.
You're determined to play Top Trumps and teachers win out, so I'll leave you to it, but there are many, many people who display incredible caring and dedication to the whole well-being of the children they serve who are in other professions.

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:45:59

VioletSky

Slogans are different...

We teach children to have open minds and make their own decisions... personal opinions don't belong in teaching

But I have told you that more times than I can count doodledog, it just doesn't suit you to believe it

Ok, so is a man wearing a skirt expressing a personal opinion?

I would say that it is, as everything we wear, or that contributes to our appearance is an expression of our opinion of ourselves. Whether it is as a competent professional at an interview, someone in an identifiable role, wearing a uniform, or tattoos and piercings to show whatever that shows - we make these conscious decisions every time we get dressed.

How is the teacher keeping his personal opinions out of his teaching by wearing a skirt to school? I couldn't care less if he wears it to the pub or to the shops, but I don't understand how he is doing anything other than make a statement by wearing it to teach under 11s.

Doodledog Sun 10-Sept-23 14:46:36

VioletSky

The curriculum however, well it's not teachers you need to take that up with and the powers that be will continue to ensure all children are accepted in the classroom

Eh?

Hithere Sun 10-Sept-23 14:49:04

It is the adults that observe things like this, kids dont even bat an eyelash about a male teacher wearing a skirt

It is the skills and performance in the job that count

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:49:38

I asked a Canadian friend about that teacher...

She says from what she has heard, the tracher is actually anti woke and does not like the gender inclusive rules in school. That teacher was wearing them to make a point against allowing gender expression...

I would guess the truth will come out. There have been similar hoaxes before

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 14:50:59

I like dresses with flowers on them doodledog what opinion am I expressing there exactly?

NanKate Sun 10-Sept-23 14:53:12

I bet the Headteacher didn’t dare complain and insist on appropriate clothes for this teacher, because if she/he had, they would have been lambasted by the trans community.

You did make me laugh Sparklefizz. ‘Legs akimbo’ indeed what an awful thought !

Chestnut Sun 10-Sept-23 14:55:37

Just for the record, the Canadian teacher's boobs were not real although he said they were. They were strapped on, complete with nipples the size of saucers. Now he has taken them off. He is identifying as male and has a job at another school. It could only happen in Canada.
Canadian Teacher is male again
Goodness knows what he is teaching those children, although hopefully they are old enough and savvy enough to realise he is a compete nutter.

Chestnut Sun 10-Sept-23 14:57:47

Okay, just read above that he was doing it in protest. If that's true then maybe there is another story there, who knows?

Mollygo Sun 10-Sept-23 14:57:52

VioletSky

Hate to break it to you but I have 8 piercings and visible tattoos and work in a classroom

It's never been mentioned by any child or parent. My teacher and I have a very good reputation with parents

Who are you breaking it to and for what purpose VS? You seem to claim so many different things, what’s one more?
We have no idea about your relationship with the teacher you work with or the parents nothing you can say will change that fact.

Re the man wearing a skirt; it’s not so long ago that cross-dressing was regarded as a fetish and people didn’t take their fetishes to work. Now you can do your attention seeking by claiming you’re a horse, a cat, or even a baby and whinge if people don’t believe your fantasy.
Man wearing a skirt is just another fetish and a chance to say you can’t stop me!
The fact that he puts his desire to challenge before the needs of the children is typical poor male behaviour.
At least he’s not pretending to be a woman.

Callistemon21 Sun 10-Sept-23 14:57:53

Glorianny

Beckham in a skirt

I didn't know he'd changed professions and become a primary school teacher!
How did I miss that?

NanKate Sun 10-Sept-23 15:00:07

Yes Calliste I believe he is teaching footie and other sports ⚽️😀

Nanatoone Sun 10-Sept-23 15:01:07

One thing I can be sure have having an eight old GD at school is that the kids will be laughing their heads off at this teacher. I remember clearly a lady teacher at school who sat in an indecent manner and we got to see her enormous bloomers. We all still giggle about it now 50 years on. This man is a fool for trying to bring his own agenda into school. It’s hard enough for HTs to be able to get kids into uniform and then to have one of his own staff provide more fuel to the fire is appalling. My daughter teaches at senior school and she got told off for her skirt being just above the knee! I read all of the previous posts and can say without doubt that Violet Sky will undoubtedly be referred to by parents and children as the one with tattoos and piercings. Don’t kid yourself that it’s acceptance, it’s just that no one can do anything about it. No need for male teachers to come into school wearing skirts, it’s disrespectful to the HT and the school. Going back to a previous point how can you say to children that you must wear your uniform when your own staff don’t follow the rules.

eazybee Sun 10-Sept-23 15:01:40

That you are an exhibitionist, ( piercings and tattoos which genuinely make my flesh crawl), who likes to wear dresses with flowers on them.

Callistemon21 Sun 10-Sept-23 15:02:37

Why do so many posts on GN make me want to break into song? 🎶🎵🎵🎵🎶🎵

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWd1w5tn040g&ved=2ahUKEwjOjL-zmqCBAxVzVkEAHQmACW8QwqsBegQINhAB&usg=AOvVaw3-YAZiazT_poKGz49_KjfZ

Enjoy!

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 15:06:01

I was answering comments about dress codes, general "you", no need for rudeness

VioletSky Sun 10-Sept-23 15:07:40

If people are going to be judgemental and rude because I have tattoos and piercings I wouldn't expect a sensible opinion on this topic from them honestly

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