Trans Teacher

VioletSky
I asked a Canadian friend about that teacher...

She says from what she has heard, the tracher is actually anti woke and does not like the gender inclusive rules in school. That teacher was wearing them to make a point against allowing gender expression...

I would guess the truth will come out. There have been similar hoaxes before

There have been many theories expressed as to his motives including hoping to be able to make a claim for unfair dismissal, but we do know he's an out and out liar who said they were real and couldn't be removed, oestrogen hypersensitivity apparently.....

Do you approve of the school allowing him to present like that, they backed him all the way at the beginning, citing diversity and inclusion? They were quick to tell female pupils at the school that it was unacceptable for them to wear tight clothing highlighting prominent nipples. I don't understand anybody thinking that outfit and the fake breasts were in any way acceptable dress for a teacher. The new school is now employing a proven liar, not usually the first thing to put on your CV.

I am not sure what you expect me to say Rosie

I am not affiliated with this man nor the Canadian school system and their policies and I certainly do not have the full story as several versions now exist on this thread

I only feel sad that a genuine attempt at inclusion without discrimination would be used by someone like this man to cause a problem.

As I have always said though, there will always be those who take advantage of good people for their own nefarious gains and unfortunately this exists across the board... all jobs, all genders all religions... everywhere

You seem unable ever to judge any comment of mine as just generally applicable to a thread and insist it must be about you. It says something about you.
Is that to me? When you quote me and reply, it's reasonable to assume you mean me - otherwise you use the passive aggressive 'Some People'. I'm not sure what that says about me, but it is obviously a personal dig.

I was teaching in the 80s and well remember Section 28 (if that comment was meant for me). I know for a fact that others on the thread were also working in education then, and it was often in the News at the time, so I don't know why you think we all need the benefit of lectures about the past. They have nothing to do with now. Can you explain what discriminating against people on the grounds of sexuality, whether in the 70s, the 80s or the 2020s has to do with any of this? The teacher concerned is not, AFAWK, gay. He 'identifies' as male, so presumably is not trans either.

My objection is to children getting mixed messages about what it means to be male and female, eg by being exposed to drag queens in sexualised outfits at a young age in the name of 'inclusivity', by being told that there are multiple genders to choose from, that men can become women etc, and that these messages include notions of being in the 'wrong body' and 'changing gender'. I worry for their safety, as if they learn to mistrust the evidence of their eyes, they could put themselves at risk. If we opened up societal assumptions about 'gender' roles why would children want to 'transition' instead of just behaving as they wish when it comes to these roles?

Having more choices would help adults who are not gender conforming too, including the teacher in question. Remove the rest of the pieces of the jigsaw and I would feel as would if the teacher wore his skirt in the pub - ie neutral. But when children are being told about being in the 'wrong body', have new pronouns affirmed and generally expected to make a choice about their identity on sex, rather than 'gender' grounds, it feels like a step too far. They are children. Why not learn societal norms at this stage, so they can choose to ignore them later, much as they need to learn the notes in music and basic rules of grammar before they can decide when it is better to freewheel.

As I have always said though, there will always be those who take advantage of good people for their own nefarious gains and unfortunately this exists across the board... all jobs, all genders all religions... everywhere

This is a total volte face, isn't it? Usually you argue vehemently against the idea that because some men will use self-id to infiltrate women's spaces we should protect women from all of them, and accuse anyone saying so of transphobia.

PS If my posts appear in an erratic fashion, it is because I am in a thunderstorm with my connection dependent on my phone signal, which is coming and going. My previous post was written ages before it sent, and this one may do likewise.

I am not sure what you expect me to say Rosie

VioletSky I suppose I was expecting you to say either that you were perfectly happy with that presentation, including huge fake porn breasts or that you thought that presentation wasn't appropriate for teaching children and that a more modest outfit would be more suitable.
I'm not sure why one would need to be affiliated to this man or the Canadian school system to have an opinion. I have Canadian grandchildren, I wouldn't have wanted either of them to be exposed to that presentation no matter the reason behind it.

Chestnut

Mollygo

I asked a Canadian friend about that teacher. He said from what he knows, it was a publicity stunt to show the ridiculous lengths women will go to alter their figures. Apparently, he wanted women to realise it wasn’t necessary.

If you check the link I sent you can see someone asking him most persistently why he wore the fake boobs and he refused to answer. He had the opportunity to explain his reason and didn't. So it doesn't look like he had a 'cause'. He was just being a weirdo. And no, that is not transphobic because he is not a transwoman.

The only time I've ever seen anyone dressed like that - in photo's, not real life - is from some grubby 'comedy act', or a bod dressing-up for a party, or similar.

I don't know many transgender people (only one in fact) but I don't think that's usually the way transwomen dress.

I hate the way the female form is disfigured - by men who are either mocking women, or women themselves who actually surgically 'enhance' their anatomy because... well, I'm not sure what's in the minds of women who have their boobs inflated to such dimensions - nor their bottoms reconstructed to look like the haunches of a horse.

But he should never have been allowed anywhere near a school - regardless of his reasons.

Rosie

I have answered you, if it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

"I hate the way the female form is disfigured - by men who are either mocking women, or women themselves who actually surgically enhance their anatomy"

My thoughts exactly Dickens!, whatever the reasons the teacher in Canada had when he decided to source and wear that vile appendage we can't know, but he must have gone to some lengths to do that. I do wonder about the effect those gross drooping fake breasts had on the adolescent girls who were pupils, some do have hangups during that awkward transitioning period from child to woman. . I certainly remember not being too happy when my bosoms first appeared and feeling uncomfortable and objectified by having a bust larger than I wanted. Working in the heyday of Page 3. I would occasionally get unwelcome comments. Thankfully Page 3 was consigned to the bin of unacceptable sexism. Unfortunately now we have all this rubbish, yes I know it's not new but it has mushroomed. Personally I find many of the drag queens, vicious, spiteful parodies of women and sadly we have women themselves enhancing their own natural and acceptable shape into something quite grotesque.

I have answered you, if it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself

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What was that supposed to mean?

VioletSky

Rosie

I have answered you, if it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

Big breasts are not in the same league as gigantomastia which is a medical condition that can cause pain, even infections and can be quite distressing for women affected. And - it is also a very rare condition.

That man is not sporting "big breasts". He is wearing a 'comedy-club / porno imitation of gigantomastia and it's not in the least bit amusing or clever.

I doubt any woman who suffers from this rare condition would wear a skimpy top with no support - more likely a specially-made bra for comfort.

Either he's making a point (though goodness knows what it is) or he's an attention-seeking fool.

I don't think much of the man, whatever his reasons

Is that not good enough for you?

Dickens

VioletSky

Rosie

I have answered you, if it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

Big breasts are not in the same league as gigantomastia which is a medical condition that can cause pain, even infections and can be quite distressing for women affected. And - it is also a very rare condition.

That man is not sporting "big breasts". He is wearing a 'comedy-club / porno imitation of gigantomastia and it's not in the least bit amusing or clever.

I doubt any woman who suffers from this rare condition would wear a skimpy top with no support - more likely a specially-made bra for comfort.

Either he's making a point (though goodness knows what it is) or he's an attention-seeking fool.

It is an insult to women who may feel embarrassed about larger than average breasts and upsetting for girls who are approaching puberty.

He is mocking women.
If this really happened, then he should be sacked and the Head Teacher taken to task.

Agreed Callistemon! whoever allowed him into school dressed like that calls into question the person or powers that be who sanctioned it.

Callistemon Yes, it really happened.

nypost.com/2023/09/06/parents-slam-kayla-lemieux-z-cup-breasts-as-attention-grab/

Ooh, I want to go along there with a hatpin!!

Thank you FarNorth

As one mother said:

“It’s disingenuous and it’s obvious now it was all an attention grab at the expense of children’s safety.”

The theatre where they are rehearsing for the Christmas Panto is down the road.

I'm pretty sure a woman with large breasts would be 'spoken to' if she had revealing clothing like his.

When I saw the title of Trans Teacher, I thought it would be about this guy.
But the guy with the skirt sounds like no big deal, as long as it's a sensible skirt for work.
OP hasn't told us if it is or not.

Of course, a skirt suitable for a woman might not be suitable for a man.
(Again in Canada, this is Émilia Decaudin, a politician.)

FarNorth

I'm pretty sure a woman with large breasts would be 'spoken to' if she had revealing clothing like his.

When I saw the title of Trans Teacher, I thought it would be about this guy.
But the guy with the skirt sounds like no big deal, as long as it's a sensible skirt for work.
OP hasn't told us if it is or not.

Of course, a skirt suitable for a woman might not be suitable for a man.
(Again in Canada, this is Émilia Decaudin, a politician.)

Well, a pleated skirt might look better.

Was he just pleased to see the photographer?
#MaeWest

Sorry to nitpick FarNorth but isn't Émilia Decaudin an American? Maybe Émilia didn't notice "her" penis was visible through the dress, or perhaps like Dylan Mulvaney, it's an attempt to "normalise the bulge" !!

VioletSky

Rosie

I have answered you, if it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself

Some women have big breasts and I wouldn't ever want them to feel bad about themselves or excluded from life by making any negative remarks

Any woman with natural breasts that big would be suffering serious back issues and would be eligible for breast reduction surgery on the NHS and the vast majority would take it. Those that didn't would be wearing very supportive bras and I've never seen a real woman with huge unsupported breasts like that wearing tight clothing to expose prominent nipples.
You asked what I expected you to say. I gave you my answer. If it is not the answer you wanted then that is something you will have to reconcile with yourself........whatever that means.

Rosie51 you're right, sorry, Decaudin is American.

If the teacher wears skirts like that I can see the problem, as it were.

Rosie51

Sorry to nitpick FarNorth but isn't Émilia Decaudin an American? Maybe Émilia didn't notice "her" penis was visible through the dress, or perhaps like Dylan Mulvaney, it's an attempt to "normalise the bulge" !!

'Normalising' the bulge is all part of the disrespect for women. Like the beards, it is telling us that men can go where and do what they like, and there is nothing we can do about it. It's basically sticking two fingers up at us.

If children grow up with that message it can only get worse.

Well said, Doodledog!

Doodledog

Rosie51

Sorry to nitpick FarNorth but isn't Émilia Decaudin an American? Maybe Émilia didn't notice "her" penis was visible through the dress, or perhaps like Dylan Mulvaney, it's an attempt to "normalise the bulge" !!

'Normalising' the bulge is all part of the disrespect for women. Like the beards, it is telling us that men can go where and do what they like, and there is nothing we can do about it. It's basically sticking two fingers up at us.

If children grow up with that message it can only get worse.

'Normalising' the bulge is all part of the disrespect for women.

You are so right. An attempt to present the "girl-dick", beard and other male characteristics as female - because the man says they are, so you'd better believe it.

And the man with the fake boobs is parodying women - mocking them.

It feels like an attempt to eradicate the very fact of biological womanhood and what it means to be a woman.

And so many powerful people are going along with it, so that if you mention the immutable XX or XY, you are the villain, you are disrespecting them, you are transphobic.

It is nothing less than pure misogyny - misogyny that has found a novel and lethal way of obliterating women.

My 20 year old granddaughter refers to floral dresses as ‘nanna clothes’. I sometimes buy things for the young ones and none of them would be seen dead in florals at their age.