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Irish Abortion Laws

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Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 18:23:28

Can I be so bold as to say that I personally do not know why the celebrations. To me abortion means the taking of a life.

A life/person that gets no voice no say in the matter of THEIR life at all

And IMHO can be avoided pregnancy is avoidable.

So what's going on here sad

Lastly I ask you what do you think the in born child would have voted sad

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 18:25:22

PS.. How awful must it be for the Doctors that perform abortion because after all they spend 7/9 years of their precious lives learning how to SAVE people lives

Nanabilly Mon 11-Jun-18 18:39:22

I disagree with abortion just as a birth control but I do agree with abortion if the foetus is known to be faulty or carry some incurable condition that will mean a poor quality of life or death immediately after birth or early in life.
I do not agree with it being used because the baby is the wrong sex.

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 18:41:02

Yes Nanabilly exactly my opinion too

MawBroon Mon 11-Jun-18 18:53:48

Why are you changing the subject? I don’t think abortion on account of the baby’s sex is at issue here, so why bring this up? And how irrelevant to ask how an unborn child might have voted?

Speaking as the mother of one who was devastated to have to have a much wanted pregnancy terminated because the foetus was so badly “damaged” it might not even have made it to term or beyond a matter of hours, would you rather a mother had to go on carrying a baby that was going to die?
What part of the law in Eire as it stood did you approve of?

Anniebach Mon 11-Jun-18 18:54:29

According to Fact Check 3,264 women from Ireland had abortions in England in 2016.

No way were all these babies with health problems and the result of rape, these were the reasons some put forward to support legalising abortion in Ireland

suzied Mon 11-Jun-18 19:01:20

Wasn’t this discussed before?

MawBroon Mon 11-Jun-18 19:04:09

Serkeen you state I personally do not know why the celebrations. To me abortion means the taking of a life
Nanabilly says
I do agree with abortion if the foetus is known to be faulty or carry some incurable condition that will mean a poor quality of life or death immediately after birth or early in life
and you say
yes Nanabilly exactly my opinion too
What Nanabilly is talking about is one of the changes to the abortion law in Eire which will now be legal but was not heretofore . Is that not progress?
So what is your opinion?

SueDonim Mon 11-Jun-18 19:46:41

Abortions have always taken place, one way or another. The only difference now is that they will be performed legally and safely.

Quite honestly, I don't think it's any of your business what other women choose to do.

There has also been a whole long thread about this subject which you might like to peruse.

MawBroon Mon 11-Jun-18 20:03:03

Is this addressed to me?

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:05:29

MawBroon To say that the un born childs vote that would be is irrelevant is exactly what is wrong with abortion WHY is it irrelevant

As for your experience I am so sorry that you had to go through that and ofcourse I did not mean it to apply n such circumstances

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:08:06

SueDonim that's like saying its none of my business that bad stuff happens in the world it is ludicrous

SueDonim Mon 11-Jun-18 20:25:36

My post, Maw? No, not at all! Just a general comment on the thread. smile

No it isnt, Serkeen. I can't think of any other situation where one person gets to police another person's body. Why do you want to control what other woman do?

maryeliza54 Mon 11-Jun-18 20:34:24

Most abortions are not performed by doctors. Of the ones that are, no doctor or nurse has to take part in the procedure if they do not want to. But the main overall point is about a woman’s right to choose, to have bodily autonomy - her body, her choice.

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:36:28

Its about giving an Un born child a voice. Do you believe that just because a women houses the growth of a baby that she has the right to end its life?

Do you have no regards what so ever for the Un born child

Is pregnancy not avoidable ? If so why is it not avoided instead of being reckless not worrying about the consequences

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:38:13

I truly believe that in the UK people have a higher regards for animals over children

if this were an animal that were to loose its life how do you think the UK would be reacting?

maryeliza54 Mon 11-Jun-18 20:43:45

This is one of Lady Hales paragraphs from the Supreme Court Judgement re the situation in NI handed down last week.

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:52:58

"they are forbidden to do to their bodies what they wish to do"

WHY is that a bad thing! What they want to do to with their bodies is not a good thing ..its a bit like telling any other person that wants to take a life that it is bad that they are not allowed to use their hands how they wish to use them even if it entails using them to stab someone sad Utter utter nonsense

SueDonim Mon 11-Jun-18 20:54:51

Pregnancies occur in all sorts of circumstances. Women don't know they are pregnant. Contraception fails. Rapes take place. Sexual abuse takes place. Unborn babies can have unsurviveable congenital conditions.

Who am I to judge those women and tell them what to do?

Serkeen Mon 11-Jun-18 20:56:50

I find it hard to comprehend that a law has been passed and that it is permitted in a civilised country to take a life Lets tell it like it is.

I am now lost for words and so upset that I am unable to continue this conversation as to read the opinions of callus people that are happy to allow people to take a life and think it acceptable I will say it again PREGNANCY IS AVOIDABLE so stop being irresponsible and then think oh its ok we can just terminate sad

SueDonim Mon 11-Jun-18 20:59:56

Wanting to use your hands to kill another person is not the same at all. It would be using hands to do something to someone else. That's a really bizarre comparison, tbh.

Do you think it's a good thing that women the world over die for lack of safe abortion, Serkeen? Would you like back street abortions taking place again in the U.K.? Because that's the reality, not some cloud-cuckooland where all babies are loved and wanted.

MawBroon Mon 11-Jun-18 21:00:29

Serkeen you have made two contradictory comments.
What exactly is your point?
It is not just about “unwanted” pregnancies, it is very often about the quality of life for the child.
And to talk about giving an unborn child a voice is sentimental nonsense.
Do we allow minors to get married, buy tobacco, drugs alcohol, or fight etc?
Do we allow pre school children to decide whether they go to school or not?
Do we allow babies and toddlers to decide whether they should be immunised against all the childhood diseases which have been fatal for children in the past?
Of course not.

muffinthemoo Mon 11-Jun-18 21:01:22

This thread is definitely going to be a positive and respectful experience for everyone involved wine

SueDonim Mon 11-Jun-18 21:02:37

Serkeen, I'm upset that you can be so callous towards your fellow women.

Pregnancy isn't always avoidable, at least not in the world I live in.

MawBroon Mon 11-Jun-18 21:03:27

Temporarily giving up the wine so I’ll settle for a brew