How much worse can it get?

M0nica - my thoughts exactly.
But what can we, or anyone, do about it.? Sometimes I'm glad I've come to the end of my allotted span.

^ it's all about the Tory party, not the country on the edge of a crisis ^

For Tory read Labour, SNP, DUP. They are all of them thinking from a narrow self interest view.

Of course if you support a political party you do view every situation through the appropriately coloured glasses, but I cannot remember a time when every political party was so utterly unembarrassed to be seen putting naked self-interest at the forefront of every issue and to hell with the public and national interest.

I probably won't be voting Tories any time soon, but compared to this lot Major,Hague et al seem like fine folk.

The Tories are on the edge of their greatest crisis in modern times - MPs must rally together

The title of William Hague's article in today's Telegraph - I assume he means Tory MPs.

Says it all really - it's all about the Tory party, not the country on the edge of a crisis - the reason why Cameron held the referendum in the first place, to fight-off the UKIP challenge.

Day6, I so agree.
My local MP has written to all his constituents explaining why he will vote against TM,despite feeling disloyal; he campaigned on Leaving EU and has stayed true to what he promised. Many Tory MPs feel the same.
This went out before the vote was cancelled.
I am so disgusted by TM.
She has left Parliament and her party in total disarray, once again scuttling off to Europe, with no intention of achieving any concessions, simply employing more delaying tactics.
Lie after lie after lie.

My lovely neighbours have just gone to Canada because of Brexit, another couple of doctor neighbours now live in France, and children of some friends of mine have just got jobs in Singapore, all triggered by the Brexit mess. Meanwhile the NHS is having a recruitment crisis as usual, are trying to recruit from African countries as no EU medics want to come here. Leavers no doubt happy about that.

God it’s depressing

Yup. It sure is Mycatisahacker

TM f*cks up, sucks up to EU negotiators, went pleading for the UK instead of telling THEM to take or leave what WE were offering. She comes back with a dreadful deal.

Corbyn and the present Labour party are frightening. Seriously - if he and Momentum provide the only serious opposition we are well and truly doomed.

How did we get to this? Corbyn dissing May makes my hackles rise, given he is the political equivalent of a chocolate fireguard wrapped in a red flag. Those who hide behind him are dangerous, but May might as well give him the keys to number 10 now.

Corbyn in the driving seat, backed by Marxist agitators, and Brussels politicians rubbing their hands with glee as they get UK billions and power over us for the foreseeable future.

You couldn't make it up. Pass the antidepressants.

What a mess! Can’t listen to it. We are ruining our own country. Politicians haven’t got the interests of the country at heart. They are just trying to score points. Where will it end?

Oh NfkDumpling how I agree with you.

I am a Leaver, but I have fully accepted Leave means Remain. I do not envy poor TM, what a poisoned chalice she had thrust at her. No politician in my time has had such a difficult task.

I hate the deal she came back with. She has lost my support. The EU is having a laugh and she has allowed it. To the tune of BILLIONS of taxpayers money.

However, I have stopped tuning in to Brexit happenings.. I am beyond exasperated. I really do have to stop watching the news and following reports, etc. It does my blood pressure no good.

I tell myself it doesn't really matter what I think. My little vote hasn't influenced anything. I cannot control what goes on in political circles.

It is better for me if I do not join in political debates. Life is too short and politics causes divides now it's all out there on social media and keyboard warriors are slagging off people who disagree with them.

Who needs it?

I agree dumpling how fantastic your nan was a suffragette
Mycatisahacker not trying to be pedantic, but I think NfK's nan was a suffragist, which is a bit different.

I agree with some of your other posts btw
I feel lost

mmm, so you are going to take your money and run?

Unbelievable.

I am very as to why this is unbelievable.
I don't know many people who don't have relatives living overseas in non-EU countries.

^I wonder how many people can afford to leave.
the country because they don't like the government?^
Thousands of people do emigrate every year oldbatty, not just because of the government, of course, but that could be one of the reasons.

Anna Soubry on Newsnight tonight berating some bland labour spokesman, criticising the Labour Party for being s weak and ineffectual opposition. She is absolutely right.

I hoped after Corby took over that maybe the sensible labour MPs would perhaps form another party but to b honest why should labour be decimated!!! Why should sensible labour members have to leave to form another party. It’s insane. Part of me thinks it would be a good thing if labour actually took power as it would be disasterous and finish momentum for another bloody generation.

However the country would suffer in the short term

Oh totally agree the hate is awful but lived through this in the 80s as militant tendency.

The far left and the far right are very similar. Violent unpleasant nasty and mysogynistic.

Granny I agree and a while back I would have said both labour and to an extent even fhe Tories were fairly central but not anymore.

Extremists both sides.

What the UK needs is a true centre party
At times in the last couple of years even UKIP had been closer to centre than Labour has been it times.

I will vote for the party that I think is closest to centre. At this time none of the left leaning parties are coming close, that leaves me voting right even though at heart I would say I am slightly left of centre. But definitely not far left!

(Never mind that Labour crippled the NHS and set it up for failure last time they had their hands on it.. )

What the UK needs is a true centre party, unfortunately I cannot see one immerging in the foreseeable future.

You even see the dismissing/dehumanising of anyone who is Corbyn-critical here on GN which is usually not too echo chamberish when it comes to politics:

"I dont like that Corbyn said X"
"Well you're obviously a filthy rich Tory hugger who hates the NHS so I'm putting my fingers in my ears now.."

Because they arnt labour they are momentum and by default can’t understand logic. They are fanatics just like the far right. They hate us probably more than the Tories.

There is SO much hate and anger being generated by labour at the moment, its terrifying. Anyone who isn't blindly adoring of Corbyn is a bourgeoisie enemy.

God it’s depressing

I am a non man because I am a woman and fucking proud of it.

The greens were a fantastic movement in the beginning but like all the msinnpartired now overtaken my lunatics

Regardless, green is a wasted protest vote. I have voted like that on occasion in the past, but this next election is a two horse race and the only way to keep out the one you want least is to vote for the 2nd worst of the two!

notanan2

Because they arnt labour they are momentum and by default can’t understand logic. They are fanatics just like the far right. They hate us probably more than the Tories.

& greens had such a great trial run with brighton??