Girl Guide leader expelled from post.

FarNorth, my suggestion was a little simplistic I admit.

Is there an identifiable time during a sex change when a man loses all sexual interest in women? If so, then her penis is not going to harm any girl who has no penis.

Those men who pretend to identify as women are criminals aren't they?

Seriously, Alexa?
'sex change' of a physical kind doesn't come into it at all in the majority of cases.
A 'transgirl' guide is quite likely to be a fully intact male, not taking any hormones.
Likewise a 'transwoman' guide leader.

I think a trans girl would be well on the way to a physical sex change.

I think a trans girl would be well on the way to a physical sex change.

Well then you dont understand selfID or the girlguides trans policy!

Not that there IS any surgery that changes your biological sex.

A male with breast implants is still male

Is there an identifiable time during a sex change when a man loses all sexual interest in women?
There is no operation that changes sexual orientation

If so, then her penis is not going to harm any girl who has no penis.
Penetration by a penis isnt the only risk to girls in mixed groups. GGs themselves have in the past championed the benefits of girls being able to develop away from the dynamics of a mixed group

It would still be a single sex group. Some girls/boys are born with inconclusive genitalulia. Doctors sometimes make the wrong decisions.

Intersex is nothing whatseever to do with self ID.

Doctors in the past missdiagnosed it. It is better understood now.

An XXY person for example is not "a bit of both". They are male with a duplicate X.

It would still be a single sex group

How is a group with males and females in it a single sex group?

"There is no operation that changes sexual orientation"

But there is ! Eunuchs lose all sexual orientation . I think.

"Penetration by a penis isnt the only risk to girls in mixed groups. GGs themselves have in the past championed the benefits of girls being able to develop away from the dynamics of a mixed group"

But these are different considerations. I'd think the danger of men dressing up as girl guides so as to lust after them or rape them in ablutions and changing rooms, is worse than the questionable disadvantage of educating the sexes together.

But there is ! Eunuchs lose all sexual orientation . I think.

Thats not what sexual orientation means. It is not the presence of sex organs or sex drive.

the questionable disadvantage of educating the sexes together.

Doesnt matter whether or not you agree with single sex activities and education, point is that girl guides are advertising themselves as single sex. And that is a lie.

I don't understand your last paragraph, Alexa.
Can you explain what you mean, please.

Can we just remember that this is children we are talking about not adults. They are boys and girls NOT men and girls. I can't think there are many boys who could or would join a group of girls unless they really felt it was the only place they would feel comfortable. A large group of girls can be quite scary.

Trisher their policy applies to leaders as well as members.

And the GRA allows trans people to ERASE their previous aliases. They can get their birth certificate re written. And "dead naming" them is considered "transphobia"

So how do you manage safeguarding if GGs will not allow their leaders to even MENTION that a trans leader may have had another alias that also needs to be CRBed??

What a load of old nonsense. They decent and kind hearted people give of their time to help young people.

In many areas it is all that is available for children apart from school.

PS, I identify as a goldfish.

Lessismore do you mean the decent and kind people like the leader who has been expelled for wanting to protect safeguarding?
Or decent and kind people like transwomen who believe their right to privacy is more important than clear safety checks and safeguarding procedures?

Of course there are still babies born showing no definite signs of b being of a particular sex. And of course doctors still go by guesswork. And sometimes misjudge. Yes, it's what you call "intersex" since your kind always must have labels. Probably because you hope it makes you seem superior to the rest of us.

That leader should never have been airing her views on social media. If she had concerns she should have taken it up with her local Commissioner.

Oh so she was babbling on social media? No time for her then. That in itself is cause for dismissal. Silly woman.

trisher here are the age ranges, within GirlGuiding :

Rainbows (5-7), Brownies (7-10), Guides (10-14), Rangers (14-18)

So Guides and Rangers are definitely in the age range for sexual behaviour, possibly consensual but not what parents expect to be happening.

In addition, young girls and transgirls (boys) are being led to believe that 'sex change' is possible.
It isn't and any trans child will have to undergo drug treatment with unknown effects, as well as surgery, if they hope to maintain the illusion of being the opposite sex.

Do you have proof that there was 'babbling on social media' which related to Guiding, Gonegirl?

Even if that is true, it doesn't mean that GirlGuiding is correct to be operating this policy without doing risk assessment or informing parents.

Far North, I mean decent and kind volunteers should be very highly valued.

What kind of a world are we in? My sons absolutely adored cubs and scouts, the leaders were brilliant. I used to think, I would do the decent thing and volunteer myself but I wouldn't. Hard, hard work.