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MelBB Sun 23-May-21 13:43:21

Hello. I'm new by the way. ?

I've been doing online shopping for my 83 year old neighbours for over a year now, since first lockdown. This is unpaid and sometimes they give me some chocolate or £1 for a treat, but that's fee and far between now.

Not that I want to expect anything, but the issue is that I am unwell with ME and looking after myself, home and two pets is difficult enough. I have had to open a bank account where I can pay their cheques in online due to where I live (village, no local shops) and they can no longer be bothered to even fill in the date or name on my cheques, I even fill in the amount.

They have told me that they can no longer manage a supermarket shop and would I mind still helping. I said no - what could I say! What annoys me is that I know that they are putting money away for their adult children, one who lives a few miles away, but they won't get help despite admitting to struggling with the housework.

So now I am spending about 15-30 minutes each week doing the online shop for them and now lockdown restrictions are more flexible, it's feeling intense again because the lady tends to show up unannounced once a week and this has started up again.

Last week, I was in the garden, hands covered in dirt and she rang the bell THREE times. I answered and she could see I was busy, and I said I was about to nap (as I do each afternoon). She carried on talking, as has happened a few times and I made the mistake of asking if she wanted to pop her head in to see the garden. She was in like a shot.

I felt stupid after, as I've been here before. I've previously been asleep and she's come round and stayed for 40 odd minutes when I've genuinely felt very ill. Even though I've told her I'm tired, she edges her way in.

It's intense too because when I go out and happen to pass her front door, she calls me. I now inwardly recoil.

I know it seems selfish, a generous heart would do it, but I feel trapped. I'm at home 99% of the time managing my ME and even in the garden, if I make a noise, she calls me. So I've put up privacy screening, which I've seen her and hubby peer through.

They are nice people, but I have lived here the least time and wonder why other neighbours don't get more involved when they've known each other for over 5/15 years! I feel uncomfortable and yes, I am a bit of a home bod who wants no unannounced visitors.

I have thought about locking the front gate so I can sleep without worrying that the door will go, and I go the other way to avoid crossing their path.

Would anyone have any helpful advice please?

I am not very assertive and quite avoidant so confrontation etc would be hard.

Thank you. ?

MelBB Sun 23-May-21 16:58:39

cornishpatsy

I know it is not your responsibility but could you contact volunteer groups in your area or give them the details to do so. Then you could say you are not going to be able to carry on helping but you know someone that can. The volunteers may also be able to help with other things they require.

We get a newsletter with a home help company they've mentioned before, plus they know of a local lady who does that for work. ? They're clued up but I don't think they want to pay out tbh.

Hithere Sun 23-May-21 17:02:19

OP
4 weeks is way too long. It is a full month!
1 week max, 1.5 if you feel generous.
If anything, make an extra large order next week so they are covered for the next 3 weeks

Trust me they will manage without you.

I am afraid your lack of boundaries make you a good target for users like them.

MelBB Sun 23-May-21 17:06:52

Ohh I never thought, although I know I'm a pushover and really weak. Yes, okay Ill do that, thank you... And everyone, I've read every post and I have learnt that I must have courage!!! ?

ElderlyPerson Sun 23-May-21 17:21:21

Please consider carefully before locking your gate. What if you need to call an ambulance?

MelBB Sun 23-May-21 17:37:57

I normally just put a big stone at the bottom. ?

sharon103 Sun 23-May-21 18:12:30

People treat you the way you allow them to.
Your neighbours are not your responsibility.
You've done your kind deed now look after yourself.
As other's have said, put a note through their door. I would say that due to personal circumstances you'll no longer be able to order their shopping after such and such a date and for them to organise an alternative.

Tea3 Sun 23-May-21 18:15:56

They are only ‘nice people’ because you are doing stuff for them. As others have said, they are users.

Madgran77 Sun 23-May-21 19:56:04

The note is a good idea. Personally I would state clearly that:

*the shop on ...(date) will be the last one you will do
*you are unable to open the door between ...and ...because that is your rest time, which you have to adhere to because of your health

ElderlyPerson Sun 23-May-21 23:31:57

cornishpatsy

I know it is not your responsibility but could you contact volunteer groups in your area or give them the details to do so. Then you could say you are not going to be able to carry on helping but you know someone that can. The volunteers may also be able to help with other things they require.

Perhaps the volunteer groups will help MelBB too.

MelBB Mon 24-May-21 08:43:44

Well, I've posted the letter through the door (on beautiful owl paper) and explained that I cannot do the shop after this week because I need to convalesce and reduce what I do because of my health. I kept it short and sweet. I've unplugged my phone and will wedge the gate as I really need to rest today and catch up on some chores. Thank you everyone for giving me the courage to do this. It's helped me to see that I'm not responsible for them, especially now lockdown is over, and that their family needs to step up or they need to get help. As said by many of you, my health is important and by them disregarding my needs it is unfair on me. And the last thing I want or need is to be tied for x many years, and expectations to possibly increase when I'm not able. I've loved having your advice and finding such pleasantry and support, thank you. ?

Jaffacake2 Mon 24-May-21 08:52:56

Well done for sending the letter ! Please be prepared for a reply which may try to guilt trip you into continuing your help for them. I think they will be reluctant to let you go. Don't take offense at anything they may say. Your health mentally and physically is the priority.
Had a chuckle at nice owl paper ,you are so thoughtful and still being kind.I would have probably stuck my message on the back of a used envelope as would have had enough of being used !!!

25Avalon Mon 24-May-21 09:13:40

MelBB well done on taking the first step, that took courage, but as Jaffacake says they may well reply. You must retain your stance. Be assertive which is nothing to do with being aggressive ( I went on a course when I was a career for my son). Just say you are sorry but this is what your doctor has told you that you must do for the sake of your health. Don’t get drawn into arguments, just keep repeating the above calmly and quietly. Eventually they should get the message. If they are really nice people they will be asking how you are. If they don’t they are not. You are too nice. Please do not worry about them. They will survive without you.

MelBB Mon 24-May-21 09:14:45

?? I love it Jaffacake2! ?

Hithere Mon 24-May-21 12:25:39

You did great!

GillT57 Mon 24-May-21 13:01:54

Well done, it really is very difficult isn't it? We have a neighbour here who overwhelms whoever offers her help. I would like to be there if she needs something, but I have found, to my cost, that if I do, she is knocking at my kitchen door several times a day, asking me to come over and hang some curtains or drive her to church miles away as she needs to chat to the priest. She does the same with my lovely neighbour who has now had to resort to locking her front gate. We feel terrible about shutting down contact, but it gets overwhelming, and she does have family nearby. Your health must come first, and this couple's family must not use you for free parent care, they need to step up and arrange shopping or cleaning or whatever is needed. Attendance Allowance is not means tested, but it does grind my gears when elderly people abuse people's kindness, just to save money for their children! Good luck, and do have a good rest.

Madgran77 Mon 24-May-21 13:48:02

Well done. Let us know what happens next if you need support

BlueBelle Mon 24-May-21 14:04:05

You ve done the right thing for you but please beware they may well just ask for just one ‘little’ thing, so you have to stick to your word and not give any mixed messages
I m sure they are nice people who were glad of a younger ‘able’ person as their next door neighbour ME can’t be seen and is more likely not noticed, if you were in a wheelchair they probably wouldn’t have asked.
Keep your courage up it isn’t about being nasty just setting clear and manageable guidelines

MelBB Mon 24-May-21 15:29:02

Great advice.
GillT57, ohh that sounds intense. ?
I feel very guilty as my family feel sorry for them and one or two think differently. I've just received a final shopping list and kind letter back saying thabk you, they understand and they have a son on hand. Also, that I can ask if I need anything. I feel??

25Avalon Mon 24-May-21 16:13:32

Job done. Glad You have had a friendly understanding letter back from them - a response from nice people. Don’t go feeling guilty now.

MelBB Mon 24-May-21 16:31:32

25Avalon

Job done. Glad You have had a friendly understanding letter back from them - a response from nice people. Don’t go feeling guilty now.

Thank you x

Madgran77 Mon 24-May-21 20:21:11

That is good MelBB

FarNorth Tue 25-May-21 01:35:36

Great news. It must be such a relief to you. flowers

3dognight Tue 25-May-21 02:21:00

Yes well done.

I have a neighbour next door who would come round and want to chat and then stop hours. If I said I had jobs to get on with she would say could she sit and watch me hmm. I wouldn’t have minded ten or fifteen minutes, but she almost always overstayed her welcome. I had put up with this for years so when lockdown arrived and we only had a chat over the garden fence, I found it very freeing to be able to just walk away- so a few weeks ago I texted her saying I needed a little distance in our friendship for a while due to still wanting to stay antisocial and quiet for the foreseeable future.
I think it hurt her feelings, as I didn’t even see her in the garden for two weeks, I felt mean, but when I did see her everything was fine. So now we chat when we see each other in the garden which suits me much better!

BlueberryPie Tue 25-May-21 04:22:14

Yay, progress! Good job.

It was very nice of you to help them out for a while. You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about!

I would definitely not take them up on their offer to help you out sometime, because then it becomes a confused thing where they might think you have an informal deal with them that you help eachother out when needed. These are not your family or your friends and they clearly have other ways to get any help they may need anyway. Now that you've backed off from their needs, I'd also keep up on discouraging them from knocking on your door, coming over every time they hear you outside and etc.

I had an elderly neighbor who I really came to resent because she was always asking for things and running over to talk to me every time I stepped outside the house, it seemed. I barely even knew her and tried very hard to keep it that way because she was bossy besides being intrusive. I lived there for over a decade and she was a pain even with very little encouragement. My guess is she's probably been a pushy type her whole life.

It seems a fair number of elderly people want to keep living exactly the same as they always did and leaning on others more and more to fill in whatever they can no longer do themselves, including neighbors whose only tie to them is that they happen to live nearby. It's not your job to take care of these people!

Issipy Tue 25-May-21 10:39:01

Could you make a sign for your door saying do not disturb? Maybe the other neighbours have been put upon before, so they would have been pleased that you had got sucked in. You must look after your own health. Be firm, and tell them to hand these chores over to their family. You are not being selfish! I like my privacy and space too, so I understand. Be firm, but nice!