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Why are people so spiteful?

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Astitchintime Tue 24-Sept-24 07:56:49

Not sure if this is I the correct forum but here goes.

I am part of a crafting group, we all live quite locally and we got together to help and support local charities - this has not only helped those charities but also, in some cases, our own mental health too.

Everything has been 'ticking along' nicely, or so I thought. We had a social media group chat for sharing ideas and planning projects to raise money and we were all part of that.

Just yesterday I bumped into one of our members who is the admin for the group page. I will refer to her as Susan (not her real name). We chatted for a few minutes and then Susan announced that she was creating a fresh group message page and I was to look out for it later in the day but to not mention it to any one else. Wanting to get the shopping done and get out of the rain I just said 'Ok, I will take a look this afternoon'. We went our separate ways and I thought nothing of it until last evening.

On opening the new group forum I found that one of the members was not included, I will call her Jenny (again, not her real name). Jenny is a really lovely person, lives close to me with her OH and they would both do anything to help anyone and do a great deal to help Susan who lives alone - they give her lifts when her car is off the road, take her bins in, help with heavy gardening jobs, done her shopping when she's unwell etc. I also believe they have lent Susan money.

I phoned Susan as I though it was an oversight and perhaps she had forgotten to add Jenny but she claimed that she had not forgotten her, she simply didn't want her in the new group which she had created exclusively for planning lunches, day trips, visits to exhibitions, coffee & chat meet-ups etc.

I could see that others in the group were 'chatting' online and creating car-share rotas and setting a timetable for events well into the new year. They had even added my name to the rota without my specific agreement.

This does not sit right with me and I am now in the dreadful position of knowing that one of our group is being singled out and excluded. I know Jenny very well and I also know how much it would hurt her to know about the second group and the way Susan, and I suspect some others, have spitefully engineered all this.

I am beginning to feel like I no longer want to be part of the group but if I do I'll lose contact with the wider community. The toxic element that is emerging is tainting everything.

Why are people so spiteful?

sunglow12 Thu 26-Sept-24 10:02:58

Can’t stand this kind of thing and sometimes seen it among nurses I have worked with . It never affected me but I didn’t often go along to the clique things . Have seen people in tears for being excluded and one time worked with a couple of groups who really hated each other . A relief when one group gradually left . There was a near fisticuffs thing with one nurse stomping off the ward when she should have been working . Fortunately I wasn’t there when it happened . They were disciplined and one it was gross disciplinary behaviour. I often felt like piggy in the middle as they were all younger than me . Surely his group is mature in age ? I keep out of this kind of thing but it isn’t nice and hurtful for the poor excluded lady when she eventually finds out - because she will. Good luck ! 🍀

Ilovedogs22 Thu 26-Sept-24 10:56:03

Oh Astitchintime, In my experience groups of men are far less problematic than groups of women. As a young woman gardener I worked with groups of male landscapers, who were kind, funny & considerate. It was only during a spell of working in a plant nursery that I suffered from the pure, mean spite of female co-workers. Men (generally) are far less complicated than a lot of neurotic women; sad to say. 😕

MissAdventure Thu 26-Sept-24 14:21:00

It reminds me of 'prisoner, call block H' with queen Bea.
I'm sure it's a leftover response from a time when being the Alpha of the group meant first dibs on everything.

Ilovedogs22 Thu 26-Sept-24 17:39:34

Interesting theory MissAdventure. I always considered that some people are just intrinsically greedy & self-serving whilst others are altruistic, but, yes, in exceptional, dire, exteme circumstances, life or death, type of thing, who knows how we would all actually behave? 🤔

MissAdventure Thu 26-Sept-24 18:22:09

That's the interesting thing about watching the sort of reality programmes where people are dumped somewhere with others.

They automatically, unconsciously (sometimes) start sorting out their role in the group.

Some will use any tactic to ensure they are top dog.

Yoginimeisje Fri 27-Sept-24 09:21:24

OldFrill

M0nica

Becasue that is how some people are. nature? nurture? life experience? No idea. They just are.

Because it goes unchallenged. Some ego decides to rule the roost and others follow.
I'd call it out publicly on the group, asking if members are aware one has been left out and how would they feel if it was them. They'll probably delete you or start yet another group but one or two may stand with you.

Yes, I agree with this action too.

Oreo Fri 27-Sept-24 09:28:00

Ilovedogs22

Oh Astitchintime, In my experience groups of men are far less problematic than groups of women. As a young woman gardener I worked with groups of male landscapers, who were kind, funny & considerate. It was only during a spell of working in a plant nursery that I suffered from the pure, mean spite of female co-workers. Men (generally) are far less complicated than a lot of neurotic women; sad to say. 😕

Have to agree.

WelshPoppy Fri 27-Sept-24 11:08:31

I'd be out of there. How do you know there's not a group that has excluded you?

Lydie45 Fri 27-Sept-24 12:53:56

I think I would post on the group “I see Jenny’s not here, is she ok or is there a problem, I thought she would love this group” then see what’s said. If others say “we don’t want/like Jenny then decide if you want to carry on with that group or just do the crafting.

Desdemona Fri 27-Sept-24 16:02:40

Is it possible to carry on with the crafting but not join the new group?

Grandadpete Fri 27-Sept-24 16:13:15

Maybe point out the group is about crafting and not a personality contest

Grandadpete Fri 27-Sept-24 16:17:45

I once left a group with the parting Groucho Marx quote " I refuse to join any club that would have the likes of me as a member "😂

Ilovedogs22 Sat 28-Sept-24 12:14:35

I like your style Grandadpete. 😅