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Sloegin Fri 15-Oct-21 23:42:15

Wasn't sure which forum to post this on but since the only reason we need help in the garden is because of my husband's health problems this seems appropriate. My husband loved gardening and just doesn't seem to be able to accept the idea of giving up growing vegetables. He's not able to do it himself and ,not only am I not a gardener, I don't have the time or energy. With great difficulty we found a man, early 60s, self taught gardener. He's a really hard worker but a bit of an odd character, recovering alcoholic, bit of an ancient rocker. I've been very nice to him, given him nice lunches if he's here over lunchtime and ignored his rather colourful language which I've found inappropriate and offensive. I discovered he was actually a painter and decorator by trade so asked him to do some painting for me. We were a bit annoyed, and surprised, that he completely ignored my instruction not to move a cupboard as difficult to get back in place and he actually put the fridge and freezer outside when we'd told him to just push them to one side. I think he sensed we weren't too happy about that. Yesterday he came to cut down some branches in the garden. I had been out with the dog, came in the back door as my husband was going out the front door to the garden. Our young dog excitedly ran out to the gardener. I can understand he was annoyed and irritated by her but I immediately ran out to get her and was shocked that he really shouted at me quite aggressively to 'keep that dog in, I'm trying to do a job here'. It seemed to be directed at me, not my husband. I'm afraid I raised my voice to point out it wasn't me who let her out. My husband, not someone who copes well with conflict,said that he'd have a word with him and, when the chap came in to get paid my husband called me thinking he was going to apologise but in fact he was quite unpleasant to me. I told him that I'd no problem with him telling me to keep the dog in but it was how he spoke to me but he stormed off. I was very hurt and just felt and feel completely disrespected. I decided to text him to try and smooth things over, hoping he might then apologise having realised he'd behaved badly. I said in the text that I hated fallings out and hoped it wasn't irrevocable. I'd hoped he'd come back with an apology but the response I got was ,' cheers ' name', no worries'. It's almost funny if I weren't so upset. I feel foolish too as think he may have thought that I was apologising! I think, as a retired professional,who was used to being treated with respect and treating others with respect, I just feel so belittled. I don't want to have him back but we need help with the garden. How do I handle this. I was sure he'd apologise after getting my text . I just think we've seen a rather unpleasant side to him. Life has been hard the last couple of years with the pandemic and my husband's deteriorating health so I have been quite down at times. This incident seems to have really been the straw to break the camel's back. Sorry this post is so long but just feels quite therapeutic to share it. I'd appreciate thoughts and advice.

Sloegin Sun 17-Oct-21 19:54:56

Thank you for all the helpful advice/ suggestions re the garden but interesting that, and this may be my fault for going into too much detail about the incident, very few picked up that my reason for posting was because I wanted some help in dealing with my emotional state, feeling upset, hurt and offended. Also feeling that I'd handled things so badly. A few people did,and seemed to empathise, but most just focused on the practical problem of the garden which doesn't bother me as much as feeling rather traumatised by this man's unpleasant attitude to me. Shocked that one or two responses were actually rather unkind.

Sloegin Sun 17-Oct-21 20:01:46

Nell8

Sloegin I'm sorry you have been feeling low for some time and this recent incident has knocked you right back. I expect the seasonal change in daylight doesn't help either. Are you able to get out to meet friends for coffee or exercise and a good chat?
Have you had a word with your GP? If you really start to feel overwhelmed talking therapy and/or a course of antidepressants could help you to feel more like your old self.

Thank you for this response which I really appreciate. I do actually use a light box in the darker months so must haul it out again. I'm afraid, as a result of the pandemic and my husband shielding, my social life has become rather non existent. Generally I cope OK but this incident just seemed to knock me for six. Thank you for your kindness.

Dustyhen2010 Sun 17-Oct-21 22:36:46

How upsetting for you as you obviously tried to treat him kindly and with respect. However I think he sounds like someone who has his own way of doing things and won't alter his behaviour for others. If you can't find another gardener I would change approach. Have minimal contact with him. Yes, make him tea but no meals. And certainly don't ask him to do jobs in the house as he seems to do his own thing and ignore your wishes. Any interaction about gardening and payment I would leave to OH. It is hard to get the right balance in these sort of relationships and in some ways as you were expecting an apology it sounds like you feel he is a friend (but he doesn't sound like a friend you would choose to have). As I say try to remove yourself from the situation and I am sure you will feel happier in the long run.

Sloegin Tue 19-Oct-21 06:28:10

Harris27

Do you feel that as he’s working for you he should touch his forelock? There respect and a certain snobbery here. Is it that he’s your gardener and should know his place? Or is it genuinely that he’s been unpleasant? Think,of how you’ve spoken to him in the past if your not happy find another gardener.

This comment has been bothering me. I was going to ignore but decided to respond. Don't know why you felt the need to be unkind and, if you'd read my post, you'd have picked up that I was very nice to this man, treated him like the equal I considered him to be and ignored his inappropriate swearing. In my professional life ( always NHS) I was used to paying, and being paid, respect from all levels of staff and never came across such unpleasant behaviour. Rudeness and aggression are never acceptable. I wasn't expecting such an unsympathetic response on gransnet and can't understand what motivated you. Reacting like this to someone who has said she's got an ill husband and feeling low is inexplicable. Try being a little bit more sympathetic to people who are hurt and upset and you may find it has benefits for you.

loopyloo Tue 19-Oct-21 07:05:40

I find these days that quite small things cause me a lot of worry. Like arranging a van to get a sofa bed picked up Why? Getting older doesn't help and I don't think I Covid does and the news seems to be endless scare mongering.
Really I think this man was discourteous and you should find another gardener.

Sloegin Tue 19-Oct-21 08:06:50

loopyloo

I find these days that quite small things cause me a lot of worry. Like arranging a van to get a sofa bed picked up Why? Getting older doesn't help and I don't think I Covid does and the news seems to be endless scare mongering.
Really I think this man was discourteous and you should find another gardener.

Thank you loopyloo. I'm sorry that you are finding yourself having similar feelings to mine but nice for me that you can empathise. Most responses were kind but concentrating on the practical problem rather than my feeling far too upset about something that shouldn't have caused me that much distress. Covid has indeed made things very difficult and the rates in our area are worryingly high at the moment. Hard to understand one or two unkind responses- see my previous post. ( I decided I needed to stick up for myself and hopefully she'll reflect on her response and maybe be a bit more sympathetic to others who are anxious or depressed)

Billybob4491 Tue 19-Oct-21 08:27:26

Do hope your situation improves soon and wishing you and your husband well.

Scones Tue 19-Oct-21 09:07:26

Sloegin

Harris27

Do you feel that as he’s working for you he should touch his forelock? There respect and a certain snobbery here. Is it that he’s your gardener and should know his place? Or is it genuinely that he’s been unpleasant? Think,of how you’ve spoken to him in the past if your not happy find another gardener.

This comment has been bothering me. I was going to ignore but decided to respond. Don't know why you felt the need to be unkind and, if you'd read my post, you'd have picked up that I was very nice to this man, treated him like the equal I considered him to be and ignored his inappropriate swearing. In my professional life ( always NHS) I was used to paying, and being paid, respect from all levels of staff and never came across such unpleasant behaviour. Rudeness and aggression are never acceptable. I wasn't expecting such an unsympathetic response on gransnet and can't understand what motivated you. Reacting like this to someone who has said she's got an ill husband and feeling low is inexplicable. Try being a little bit more sympathetic to people who are hurt and upset and you may find it has benefits for you.

Hear hear! Well said Sloegin.

Sago Tue 19-Oct-21 11:52:24

I also felt that was very harsh.

Shandy57 Tue 19-Oct-21 12:22:00

I was 42 when we moved here, and I remember talking about paying trades people to an older neighbour. She told me to tell them to come back on Friday at 4.30 pm for their money. Cap in hand!

Grammaretto Tue 19-Oct-21 13:00:05

There are some people on gransnet who seem to enjoy conflict and finding fault with other peoples choices. They usually stick to the political threads but can pop up on any.

I am sorry I didn't pick up on your emotional condition as well as I should have but I can imagine what it must feel like for you.
Since DH died less than a year ago, I have had to manage most things on my own and asking people for help is not my forte so although they say " just ask me any time" I don't feel I really can ask at least not too often or for small things. They are small to them but not small for me.

Caleo Tue 19-Oct-21 14:23:57

Actually I do think employees should "touch their forelocks" metaphorically of course. That includes professional grade employees such as doctors and lawyers. Everyone is a servant. Employers too should respect the rights of employees.

JenniferEccles Sun 14-Nov-21 16:16:54

I’m sorry but I’m struggling to understand why you are continuing to employ this individual.
He uses offensive language, he ignored your instructions regarding the cupboard and fridge and freezer, yet seems to be under the impression that you apologised to him!

He clearly makes you feel uncomfortable around him, so in your position I would make an excuse and tell him you won’t be needing his services any more.
Perhaps say a family member will be helping from now on.

When we employ people to do work for us it’s important that we feel comfortable around them and trust them, and it’s clear this man makes you feel uneasy.

Could you make enquiries with neighbours about a reliable gardener? It would be good if you were given two or three names then you could decide which one you felt most comfortable with.

Time to let this one go.

Dickens Mon 15-Nov-21 08:53:21

BlueBelle

I think you come from two massively different backgrounds and by being benevolent ‘making him nice meals’ etc you have taken it away from the employer/employee situation and in your kindness you have moved the relationship into a friend / mate arena and he is talking to you as he would a contemporary
If he’s a good gardener keep him as just that out in the garden take him a cup of coffee by all means but by do not make him nice meals or ask him to do other jobs
He’s obviously ‘forgiven’ you, that’s why you got a ‘cheers no worries mate’ message back
If he’s a good gardener and turns up on time etc just keep him as that but don’t try to be his friend or benefactor keep it on an employer/ employee basis
You are at opposite ends of ‘life’ he is not a sophisticated, well spoken kind man he’s a rough diamond whose probably lived a very very different life to you keep it as to what you originally wanted a hard working gardener (who may be afraid of dogs) don’t take him under your benevolent wing that’s blurring all the lines

... such sensible advice BlueBelle! Well said.