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Are our views always entrenched?

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Greatnan Wed 19-Jun-13 09:51:57

Somebody said to me recently that she thought people's views on such matters as politics and religion were so entrenched by a certain age that nothing would change them.
Well, I have had my own views on religion very much modified by a certain member of Gransnet, who has answered all the questions I have wanted to ask for years, with infinite patience, kindness and warmth, never taking offence.
No, Gransnet is not my Road to Damascus - I will always be an atheist and she certainly has not tried to convert me. What she has done is show me how much her church means to her and some of the good it is doing throughout the world. Oh, she agrees that there is much that needs changing, but she explains that it is like having a family member that does things you don't like, but you still love them. Change is taking place at grass roots level and she hopes it will filter up to the men at the top (yes, they are all men!).
When she first joined GN, I would never have envisaged that we could become such close friends and I thank her for not giving up on me!

Nonu Sat 22-Jun-13 16:06:09

Now your"e talking AKA , i love a rabbit stew , but as DD who is coming over tonight for supper , has a pet rabbit i think she would be mortally offended if I had one.

{grin]

Movedalot Sat 22-Jun-13 16:21:37

I'm sorry I broke the guidelines but have no idea what I did wrong, please someone enlighten me.

It appears that it is OK to twist what I say but not for me to challenge why the person who did it failed to respond when asked to.

I didn't swear or anything sad

feetlebaum Sat 22-Jun-13 16:22:27

It's difficult to get your hands on decent rabbit these days... I mus thave got through several hutchfuls during the war - lovely!

Greatnan Sat 22-Jun-13 16:24:57

I didn't respond because I wasn't here and I have no idea what message what deleted.

Nonu Sat 22-Jun-13 16:25:10

Feetle , envy

move i read your post an it it seemed okay to me, wonder who objected ?

Greatnan Sat 22-Jun-13 16:28:44

Why should it go against my left wing principles to enjoy working for a self made man who had provided employment for over 5,000 people? You also live in a tax haven - does that not go against the principles that you used to hold?
I went out with some public school boys precisely because I am not prejudiced - as you say, some of them are very nice.
You have not commented on most of our suggestions - for example, there are many under-used second homes which could be requisitioned.

Aka Sat 22-Jun-13 16:31:21

moved t'wasnt me either! Did you write something rude about my rabbit stew perhaps? I only went to make a cup of tea.

Aka Sat 22-Jun-13 16:35:08

Nonu cooked all night in an Aga...yummy! Feetle not sure about the decent rabbit bit...please explain? Where you alive and rabbiting during the war then? shock

Aka Sat 22-Jun-13 16:35:25

Were not where.

Movedalot Sat 22-Jun-13 16:35:28

Message deleted by Gransnet for breaking our forum guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

Ana Sat 22-Jun-13 16:35:35

Can you imagine the furoré if second homes were 'requisitioned'? For a start, as soon as such a proposal was mooted, those homes would be offloaded asap.

Movedalot Sat 22-Jun-13 16:36:32

No Aka I just wanted Greatnan to respond to my post. Don't know anything about your rabbit stew but will come and taste it if invited. I used to love rabbit stew. smile

GeraldineGransnet (GNHQ) Sat 22-Jun-13 16:37:01

Just to say that we've been asked to delete this thread by several gransnetters who are finding it really unpleasant.

We don't like to do that and we don't intend to at the moment but we will if it gets any worse.

And I am trying to move my mother today...If I send round some wine will you let me get back to moving furniture?

Nonu Sat 22-Jun-13 16:38:14

Crikey AKA , you are a bit posh with AGA , it will be half a crown to speak to you next. smile

merlotgran Sat 22-Jun-13 16:42:08

I've been watching this thread and I don't think it's all that unpleasant. I thought Greatnan and Granjura were good friends but is that no longer the case or have I got it all wrong?

We had a discussion on another thread (I know, I'm breaking the rules)
where quite a few gransnetters expressed dismay at 'running to teacher' by certain members.

Do we HAVE to be treated like children?

Lilygran Sat 22-Jun-13 16:44:39

I carry no banner for Old Etonians or for the Bullingdon Club - an excuse for rich young men to behave like yobs - but anyone brought up in a solid Labour area, who isn't totally blinkered, must be aware that the old boys' network operated in more than one social milieu. As for the latest NHS scandal, it looks as though the existing monitoring bodies (the Royal medical and nursing colleges) were finding too many things wrong with the way the service operated so the Labour government took the responsibility off them and set up the CQC. Everyone now seems agreed that the CQC had neither the expertise nor resources to do the job but that was OK because what it was set up to do was a whitewash. The Tories have no monopoly on corruption, whatever kind of tie they wear.

Ana Sat 22-Jun-13 16:46:06

Surely the 'several gransnetters' who complained don't have to read threads they don't like? confused

Ana Sat 22-Jun-13 16:47:26

And to go so far as to ask a whole thread to be deleted is a bit high-handed! hmm

Aka Sat 22-Jun-13 16:49:44

Sadly I don't have room for an Aga in my new downsized accommodation hmm though I do have a spare bedroom! Nonu that was sheer nostalgia., for the 'old days' when I had to wear white gloves to church and a liberty bodice.
Nor do I have access to any nice plump bunny rabbits any more Moved

Nonu Sat 22-Jun-13 16:49:46

On the money , Ana .

wink

Nonu Sat 22-Jun-13 16:50:38

AKA . smile

Movedalot Sat 22-Jun-13 16:52:07

Greatnan I simply asked you to explain how you managed to turn

"I don't find talk of 'toffs' or 'Old Etonians' particularly helpful. Presumably such people were elected because the voters in their constituencies thought they were the best candidates and any of them promoted to the cabinet be there because their leader believed they would do the job better than any of the others. On the whole we get the government we deserve."

into;

"I am glad you think all the cabinet are doing a good job, Moved"

This seems to be how you react to all my posts. You attribute thoughts to me which I have not expressed.

Aka Sat 22-Jun-13 16:52:37

The CQC has been 'not fit for task' for a long time. There have been several cases over the last two years where they have been found wanting.

Greatnan Sat 22-Jun-13 16:52:43

I was out ordering my evening meal at reception, so I certainly did not report it or even see it.
I quite agree that there has been little to choose between all three major parties for several years. Like many other former socialists, I lost faith after 1997 and now I feel disenfranchised.

Any private matters between Juragran and myself are just that. I would prefer it if no reference was made to exchanges made between us, especially when they give only one side of the story.

Greatnan Sat 22-Jun-13 16:54:02

And toffs was not an expression I used either, and to suggest I did is dishonest.