2M ruling could be relaxed

The scary thing is how little is known about this wretched virus. I cant envisage ever being safe from it....just balancing risks and freedoms, and wishing we had advice we could trust.

Ridiculous. Herd immunity aka culling of non taxpayers aka pennies before people.

They do NOT have public health as a priority. If they did, they’d be cracking down on tax avoidance and evasion and putting measures in place to protect the public not the wealthy.

It’s a pogrom. Ignore them. Maintain strict distancing until the vaccine is as prolific as the polio vaccine.

"2M ruling could be relaxed" Has anyone informed the virus of this? It will be so pleased!

I think that whatever distancing limit is “officially” applied will end up being a nonsense. Has anyone, ever, gone to the pub or out for a meal to help them Stay Alert?

As people relax they’ll forget about distancing. And how, exactly will they eat and drink while wearing a mask? If a face covering is obligatory on public transport, how come it’s not required in a public house?

I will continue to stay as far away from other people as I can. (apart from close family) and I have no intention of going into a shop, or on public transport for a long time. The scientists said its all a matter of risk. Being 1 metre away from someone is safer than standing next to them, standing back to back to someone is safer than standing face on, standing 2 metres from someone is safer than 1 metre. Being outside is safer than in. Etc. Having weighed it all up I would not be happy to be in a shop, a pub a bus with someone only 1 metre away from me when at least 1000 people a day are getting infected.

Has the infection rate increased substantially in countries like France, the answer is no. We must get our kids bad to school before most of them become completely comatose.
But those countries got the rate right down before easing up on lockdown. Our rate is still high. Its coming down but only very slowly.

Scientists

Too early to lessen the 2 meter distance.

I agree what has been said as to the population , the percentage is a low figure when you take things in , but with these riots and raves allot of the younger generation have yet to feel the virus as its like a biological warfare situation even Donald Trump is not safe .
Mick

TBH it seems to have been coming down very nicely until the beginning of May and it has been level ever since at a minimum of 0.5%.

Why isnt it decreasing?

Wearing masks “advised “ is no good at all. Some things really have to be made compulsory.
As I speak the professional family opposite has three families gathered. Kids now indoors watching tv. Parents outside maximum distance between adults being about 2 feet.

Shops that are complying with social distancing rules....sure that will work !! I’ve seen in shops where people just wander around wherever they like, specially older people it has to be said.

As I speak...obviously should be as I write.

I am now totally confused!!!

In Denmark all children returned to school after 5 weeks of lockdown. No upward surge or spike of Covid.

I have observed many elderly people ignoring the markings in supermarkets particularly inside the shop. Teens/20s seem to think they're immune hence the large gatherings. Within each generations there are "ignorant" stupid people who are ignoring the distancing & advice on gatherings/bubble etc.

From Monday 15th June it is compulsary to wear a "face covering" on all Public Transport & in situations where it is impossible to observe the 2m distancing.

Children are not going back to School before September due to the actions of the Trade Unions & LAs who will do anything to disrupt the actions of the Government. Whether you like Boris/Government whatever they do they are "damned if they do & damned if they don't" . All those people critisising, I'd like you to have done better because I wouldn't have liked to make any of the decisions.

Right I'll collect my tin hat & flak jacket, off to hide behind the sofa

The economy is important but if we don't tread carefully we will be in an even worse economic state if there is a further outbreak. The UK acted too slowly in stopping people entering the country. Should have been a ban on movement immediately. Just read today that close proximity is not as great a risk as touching people and surfaces. A mask would help reduce droplet transmission and a hug wearing a mask has much less risk than a handshake or touching face and surfaces. What are we to believe? It's a minefield.

“All those people critisising, I'd like you to have done better because I wouldn't have liked to make any of the decisions”

We did not opt to be politicians

“Children are not going back to School before September due to the actions of the Trade Unions & LAs who will do anything to disrupt the actions of the Government. “

Of course. Nothing to do with risk of infection, impossibility of running schools with social distancing.

Feel free to stay behind that sofa

1 M or 2 M, doesn't make any difference. Why are they even talking about it. They should concentrate on what's important not small stupid things.

SpecialK57

How crazy is it that if my dad aged 95 and living alone now chose to bubble up with my daughter who has children aged 5, 3 and 1 she could legally let them cuddle him and stay overnight with him but because my husband (62) and I (63) live together, the children cannot even enter our house unless they are walking through to the garden or going to the toilet and cuddles are strictly off the agenda

SpecialK57: I understand where you are coming from. It’s irritating me, the fact that my sons partners mum is 74 been self isolating because of health issues, but it’s ok for her to form a bubble. Where as because I’m married (my sons stepdad), and we are only 62, not self isolated but I can’t give my granddaughters cuddles. Also because we adopted a 9 year old boy who we fostered from birth my sons partner made it clear we weren’t allowed to see the girls in the garden because it made 7. But given the girls ages of 1 and 3 I didn’t want to have to say to them we can’t give you hugs and kisses so keep your distance. We’ve been to there’s and seen them through the window a couple of times, but before lockdown we saw them every week and the younger one I also had for over night sleeps in the week due to mums shifts.
I get annoyed though when people aren’t following guidelines.

It’s time he eased the lockdown for all grandparents so desperate to see their grandchildren

Sawsage: can you explain to me what is actually more important than stopping the virus from spreading ?

MayBee according to that loser (failed leader but seems to forget that and the leading light behind the shambles that is Universal Credit) Ian Duncan Smith The Economy is more important.

What this ‘world beating‘ (to draw on Boris Speak) idiot fails to grasp is that if there is a second peak then everything will have to shut down again and that is not going to help recovery.

We have saying like ‘make haste slowly’ and ‘fools rush in’ for good reason.

sawsage

The WHO begs to differ with you distance does matter,

“England’s coronavirus lockdown should not be further lifted until the government’s contact-tracing system has proven to be “robust and effective”, the World Health Organization has said after widespread criticism of the first results of the new tracking operation.

As shops across England prepared to reopen, and people were encouraged by the government to come out of their homes and on to the high street, Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO’s director for Europe, cautioned that the UK remained in a “very active phase of the pandemic”.

His remarks came as ministers confirmed a review of the 2-metre distancing rule, with the government coming under pressure from business leaders, Tory backbenchers and rightwing media to further ease the lockdown.”

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make regarding the one or two metre distancing rules Sawsage
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It is a fact that the virus is transmitted less easily when we remain two metres apart, yet if that distance remains it will be extremely difficult for the hospitality industry to survive with the inevitable reduction in the numbers of customers.

It all comes back to the point of a very difficult balancing act doesn’t it?

If we stay in a fairly strict lockdown it’s estimated that millions will lose their jobs.

On balance I think Boris is right in considering lowering to one metre, but I can understand people’s concerns.

Masks, masks, masks! That's how they manage abroad with the 1m rule!