Chris Whitty

I still say if it’s OK to call him a yob (which I think we all agree that he is) then it was unfair to come down on Ellianne like the proverbial ton of bricks for using the term “minions”

Callistemon

^We let terrorists and murderers have a second chance in this country dont we?^
Dont these two deserve the same?

It wasn't due to government intervention that this lout lost his job.
He worked for a private company which was customer-facing; they could not risk having an employee who might not be trusted to behave appropriately in front of clients and they would not want the bad publicity either.

I wouldn't want him working for me.

My point being, this is trial by media.

Ultimately he lost his job because his behaviour put his company in a poor light.

I dont like what he did, but equally, I dont like how he has been treated.

I just think it should be down to CW and/or a police to decided how this is handled. No one else.

Thanks for the update MawBe

The (ex) estate agent's mum says he's autistic, had had a couple of pints and didn't realise he was doing anything wrong. An he's very, very sorry. So, he's not a yob at all.

I might have got this wrong, but I thought it was the ex estate agent himself who posted the video online. He can't now be surprised if he's being subjected to a trial by media.

The police have arrested the ex estate agent one with common assault. I think it is the other one who has adhd and is autistic.

25Avalon

The police have arrested the ex estate agent one with common assault. I think it is the other one who has adhd and is autistic.

That's what I thought too. As far as I'm concerned, it serves him right. Even if he's not charged and/or prosecuted, he's hopefully learnt a lesson and other people might think twice about their actions. I just hope he doesn't become some kind of martyr.

I have a number of friends with ADHD/autistic AC and they are just so fed up with their condition being used as an excuse in this way. Not one of them has an AC who would behave in this manner - most in fact tend to avoid people, not go round demanding selfies.

SueDonim

I have a number of friends with ADHD/autistic AC and they are just so fed up with their condition being used as an excuse in this way. Not one of them has an AC who would behave in this manner - most in fact tend to avoid people, not go round demanding selfies.

I agree. It should not be used as an excuse for loutish behaviour.

I agree. So many adults with AS are fed up with people using it as an excuse.

I believe drink would have been the cause of the problem, that's the excuse usually made. So why on earth do people drink so much they can't control their actions? I don't think it's excusable in those circumstances1

I read it wrongly then. I felt sure the mother was talking about her son, the estate agent, as being on the autistic spectrum and now I can't find the article. Perhaps they all are!!

NfkDumpling

I read it wrongly then. I felt sure the mother was talking about her son, the estate agent, as being on the autistic spectrum and now I can't find the article. Perhaps they all are!!

It was the estate agent's friend who is autistic. Like other posters I get fed up with people using being drunk or autistic as an excuse for their unacceptable behaviour.

I think that's a really quite complex discussion in terms of autism, many of the children I work with are unable to manage their own behaviour at times, it's not about excuses. I have no idea about the man who did this and I think making sweeping statements either way in terms of autism usnt helpful.

I agree galaxy, having issues with executive function could just be a reason for, not an excuse for

I can think of many young men who go out and get drunk and lose their inhibitions. I don't agree with the prosecution or the sacking of one of them. They didn't actually mean any harm and Chris Whitty wasn't injured. I can't help thinking if it had been someone else in the news at the moment they might have given the selfie and left them to it. Yes, they were loud and 'in your face' as a lot of drunk people are, yes if you want to castigate them they were breaching social distancing. But I believe a firm talking to and perhaps a night in the cells to sober up would have been enough.

B9 You say the young men "didn't actually mean any harm". Well, your hindsight is a wonderful thing. How was Chris Whitty to know that he wouldn't suddenly get a knife between his ribs? One of the guys had him in a headlock. It was assault, no two ways about it.

So it’s ok to behave in an obnoxious manner as long as you’re drunk?

B9 You may believe ‘a firm talking to’ and ‘a night in the cells to sober up’ would have been sufficient punishment.
I disagree, and even if in this instance it would have been enough, the punishment that was given is more likely to deter others from doing the same.

A second man has been charged with common assault.

Sparklefizz

B9 You say the young men "didn't actually mean any harm". Well, your hindsight is a wonderful thing. How was Chris Whitty to know that he wouldn't suddenly get a knife between his ribs? One of the guys had him in a headlock. It was assault, no two ways about it.

“They didn’t mean any harm”
Yes, but they caused it. It was indeed “common assault” and no mealy mouthed excuses about “high spirits” should be offered or accepted.
It’s like sexual harassment being dismissed as “locker room banter” and I leave to your imagination what I think of that. ?

I wonder how many of the posters leaping to the defence of these two men who accosted Prof. Whittey would be saying ‘they didn’t mean any harm” if it had been them or a member of their family these two men grabbed about the shoulder and neck, shouting and carrying on, wanting a “selfie” and attempting to do so by force and against the will of the accosted? I think they’d be calling a different tune, to be honest.
In my view, these two men do need bringing to account and I’m pleased that the police are bringing a prosecution of common assault, as that is what it was.

I agree Mapleleaf
And with Sparklefizz, MawB and others.

B9exchange if they had put you into a headlock and were being loud and unruly would you have just shrugged it off?

I would have been terrified .

Whitty himself did not want to bring charges against the men so I guess he realised they thought it was a good joke ?. Still horrible though.

It's good he has more protection now.