Singapore now charges the cost of medical treatment for Covid.

Seems reasonable to me.

No its completely against what the NHS stands for. Hideous.

Whilst I don't agree with the anti-vaxxers I do find this a bit contentious. It could be argued, why should someone who smokes get free NHS treatment for smoking related heart diseases or breathing difficulties?

Interesting question.

Will unvaccinated people be able to get travel insurance?

I know last time we travelled via Singapore we had hours to wait and could have taken a free night-time city tour but the insurance company said they'd charge me an extra £50 if I left the airport.

No, it's not something the UK should do.
We pay National Insurance (yes, I know the NHS is funded mainly from taxation).
People have been hospitalised and died from influenza every year - were they checked to see if they had been vaccinated?

Or people who have rubbish diets or people who dont exercise or people who are workaholics etc.

Galaxy

Or people who have rubbish diets or people who dont exercise or people who are workaholics etc.

Or Smokers?

Tempting, but No. It would be the start of a slippery slope.

Despite everything my mother persisted in smoking all her life. She justified this by saying that cigarettes were heavily taxed.
For every unvaccinated person in hospital is another potential patient in need of care but who has had it delayed due to unvaccinated Covid patients. I'm not sympathetic to those who choose not to protect themselves and others from Covid. Different matter for those who genuinely can't have the vaccine.

We treat smokers, alcoholics and drug overdosers don't we ?
Cradle to grave, whatever. It's what we do.

We happily have tetanus, diphtheria, polio and typhoid vaccinations. Why not have Covid ones? Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes etc are addictions which can be seen as medical conditions. Anti vaxxers are what exactly?!

"Anti vaxxers are what exactly?!"

Idiots.

Should people be denied treatment because they are idiots?

People drive recklessly - they are idiots
Cavers, rock climbers - are they idiots?
People who stick unexploded incendiary devices up their backsides? (see other thread) - complete idiots!

Anti vaxxers don't have the vaccines as a point of principle. They risk infecting others potentially fatally.
Insurance is payable for car accidents.
Climbing or caving incidents are also accidents. You don't 'accidentally' avoid having a vaccination.

A lot of "accidents" are caused by people not being properly equipped or taking sensible precautions Aveline as in climbing , caving , car racing etc.
I agree with seacliff it would be the start of a slippery slope.

It's already a slippery slope for everyone else if some choose not to help protect us all.

Drivers can kill other people.
Insurance is no compensation if a member of your family dies.

Vaccinated people can also transmit the virus and vaccinated people can also die from the virus.
The same with flu vaccines - not everyone gets vaccinated and people die from flu.

Refusing treatment would set a precedent and open the floodgates to treatment being refused on other grounds too.

Not exercising is not an addiction it's a conscious choice. Eating a rubbish diet is a conscious choice. I would be very interested in the legal status of refusing to treat someone on the grounds of one choice but not on the other.

If someone is taken into hospital as an emergency, how would the process of checking work, before they are treated?
Are they vaccinated?
Do they smoke?
Drink more than the recommended units per week?
Were they sensibly dressed with the right footwear on for what they were doing?
If they've breached any of these rules, is it because they lack capacity to know the consequences?
If they lack capacity is anyone else responsible?
If not, why not?
Have they fallen through the cracks of the system?

Definitely not.
I am however in favour of Covid passports. We have no obligation to allow people to watch football. And if it prompts people to get the jab, all good.

So why bother to take any precautions at all? Let's all smoke drink take drugs indulge in dangerous pointless sports and other activities. - But we don't. Most of us are considerate of others. Anti vaxxers are not. We won't agree on this point. No point in continuing to put forward my views.
Back to the unvaccinated slippery slope everyone ?

Galaxy

Not exercising is not an addiction it's a conscious choice. Eating a rubbish diet is a conscious choice. I would be very interested in the legal status of refusing to treat someone on the grounds of one choice but not on the other.

I agree with this.

People are very quick to point the finger at those whose lifestyle choices are different from their own, but if we rule out treatment for conditions in which choices have played a part we would soon have no NHS.

Would we treat broken limbs from skiing, skating, climbing? Prolapsed wombs from child-bearing? Depression/anxiety from working long hours? Driving-related injuries? Back and other sport-related strains and sprains? The list goes on, before even starting on diet, exercise and 'vices' such as smoking and drinking.

Like others on this thread, I am not in favour of anti-vaxxers, and I would support 'passports' and ban the deliberately unvaccinated from public transport and any venues where there are other people; but for a number of reasons I think that refusing to treat them in hospital is dangerous.

There is the 'slippery slope' argument, and also the fact that to take tax and NI from people and then deny them one of the main things that it pays for is risky. Would this lead to a two-tier system of health care, with people opting out of contributions and financing their own health care? If this happened, would there be an NHS at all, and if so, would it only treat those who had contributed in their own right? It would be a minefield on a number of levels.

It is already a minefield

Aveline

It is already a minefield

Not really. We all pay into the NHS, and the NHS treats everyone who is ill. People are not asked how they became ill, and judged on whether or not they could have avoided the illness. They are treated regardless.

Yes. .There is free treatment for covid. its the vaccine. .If you choose not to have then treatment should be paid for.