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Prince Andrew Can't Sweat

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Caleo Sun 02-Jan-22 11:27:37

Doing wrong is not black and white even in law.

My own father who of course had never heard of Prince Andrew, could not sweat. My mother , who had never heard of Prince Andrew, told me this when I was was girl . My mother did not explain about the adrenaline thing as she had no medical knowledge, but after Andrew's admission about not sweating . I can understand how hormones are affected by some severe life events. My father was at the Eastern Front during the Great War.

Also in support of Prince Andrew, he probably did not even know that it was illegal or even immoral to shag an unknown and poor seventeen year old girl. Very rich people have odd childhoods, and it takes special efforts by parents and teachers to teach them what real life is.

MissAdventure Thu 13-Jan-22 15:16:31

Who has said she bragged?
Another young woman who was enmeshed in all of this?
A young woman that people believe?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 15:19:23

I couldn’t have put it better Smileless,

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 15:27:03

Robin38 she was a poor, uneducated girl, Epstein, Maxwell
and Andrew were / are wealthy, every word she speaks is true.

trisher she doesn’t want more money she wants the world stage.

Peasblossom there is no evidence, there is the photograph.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 15:30:55

MissAdventure a woman who was called to give evidence against Maxwell spoke of Giuffrie being excited about being with Andrew, she was introduced to Epstein by Giuffrie.

MissAdventure Thu 13-Jan-22 15:31:45

So you believe her?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 15:32:23

Annie she wants his head on a plate too. Plus however much cash she can wring out of him.

Peasblossom Thu 13-Jan-22 15:40:30

So, some people think there is no evidence.

Anybody want to put the other side?

Grany Thu 13-Jan-22 15:43:16

Remember VG was just 17 at the time. Epstein and Maxwell and connections with rich and powerful men Andrew as a royal thinks he's above the law arrogant ignorant The human brain does not mature until late 20s VG probably did boast about prince Andrew then but doesent mean being forced by the circumstances she was in that she enjoyed being with a sweaty plump man. I wish her luck brave that she is standing up to the rich powerful for herself and other victims.

Peasblossom Thu 13-Jan-22 15:47:45

I was looking for evidence ?

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 15:56:07

The human brain doesn’t develop until the late 20’s ? And so many marry, have relationships long before that.

Greta Thunberg !

MissAdventure Thu 13-Jan-22 15:58:13

Prince Andrew!

Kathy73 Thu 13-Jan-22 16:04:40

Is Greta Thunberg married?!

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 16:15:18

Don’t hold your breath Peasblossom, that evidence will be a long time coming.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 16:16:38

I don’t think so Kathy73 she came to mind when I read the brain doesn’t mature until the late 20’s.

MissAdventure doesn’t seem Andrew’s brain has matured at
60.

Greta Thunberg and Andrew ? knocks the claim of the brain maturing in late 20’s doesn’t it.

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 17:15:47

With the Queen’s approval Andrew has return all his military affiliations and patronages and will defend his case as a private
citizen.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 13-Jan-22 17:21:51

Though I believe he did have sex with VG and I think he’s very arrogant, I am sad that it has come to this. I expect VG will be cheering as I do feel she set out to destroy him.

MayBeMaw Thu 13-Jan-22 17:22:11

Breaking news

Prince Andrew loses military titles and patronages, and will no longer be called HRH
BBC website

Calistemon Thu 13-Jan-22 17:24:53

Oh goodness!

Does this mean even his mother doesn't believe him?

Calistemon Thu 13-Jan-22 17:25:48

I expect VG will be cheering as I do feel she set out to destroy him.

Oh good. Perhaps he'll be put off doing anything similar in the future.

eazybee Thu 13-Jan-22 17:43:48

And VG's experience was so terrible she allegedly returned twice more.
That is why I don't believe her.

Peasblossom Thu 13-Jan-22 17:51:03

But still nobody can give me anything except opinion.

I do worry about a society where guilty is is a matter of personal prejudice.

VioletSky Thu 13-Jan-22 17:51:24

My experience was terrible, yet as an adult I went along on visits to my abuser with my father. I smiled sweetly and pretended everything was normal.

This happened because I truly believed if my father found out he would think it was my fault and would never speak to me again because I thought it was my fault and it only happened to worthless girls like me.

It is amazing what someone who has been abused since childhood can normalise. Not helped by the fact that I actually did tell my mum and she said I shouldn't tell anyone as they would think I was dirty and disgusting.

I only woke up to reality when my sister was born who is 20 years younger than me and I realised she was at risk too.

VioletSky Thu 13-Jan-22 17:54:18

And here is "VG" reduced to mere initials apparently, doing her part, waking up to reality and saving future girls.

She has all my respect for her bravery

Anniebach Thu 13-Jan-22 17:55:37

And all because Giuffre’s father found her a job in Trump’s hotel and she happened to be reading a book on massage therapy, along comes Maxwell who saying at the hotel, notices the book offers Giuffrie a job as traveling masseuse, experience not necessary.

She must regret reading that book in that hotel.

Calistemon Thu 13-Jan-22 17:55:54

VioletSky

And here is "VG" reduced to mere initials apparently, doing her part, waking up to reality and saving future girls.

She has all my respect for her bravery

Mine too.

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