Camilla-Queen Consort?

There is very little hostility to Camilla these days, she has been fantastic for P.C and clearly they both make each other very happy. I think she's just right for what will be a difficult act to follow, and I'm really pleased that H.M has made this gesture, no argument anymore . She also has a very dry sense of humour and knows exactly how to behave. Prince Philip apparently didn't want the title of Prince Consort, and obviously couldn't be King Consort as, apart from William and Mary when an exception had to be made, the husband of a Queen cannot be a King. Its all a question of rank. As for Prince Harry? No one made him behave so atrociously to his own family,particularly his elderly grandmother who by all accounts is extremely fond of him, what a snake! what does he expect? The only person who killed Diana was Dody for allowing her to be driven in a car, with a drunken driver, not making sure she was wearing a seat belt and knowing that they were inevitably going to be chased by the Paparazzi , hardly the fault of the RF or Camilla and P.C.

and yes, William and Catherine are lovely, but their day will come all in good time.

Lots of hostility to Camilla and Charles around these parts Fanny. I've never heard anyone say a good word about them.
Nobody knows the truth obviously but Diana was treated appallingly in the view of some people. Then after she died she was branded unstable. I think I'd be unstable too if I was used as a baby making machine and realised my husband was in love with someone else. Just a different point of view!

I don't think it's hostility as such Fanny. More that they should abide by the rules.

Speaking personally, I have no issue with her as a person. Just not Queen.

How do we know the two princes like Camilla? From the newspapers?

Well, no. I am judging from what I’ve seen on actual televised reports i.e. footage from C&C’s wedding, when the boys had tied stuff to the back of their wedding car, chucked confetti over them, laughing and larking about, was it done for the cameras? Possibly, but I don’t think so, it looked very genuine.

And when you’ve seen them greeting Camilla at functions and events, giving her a kiss and friendly smile, it doesn’t look forced or contrived.

They are not boys now, they are grown men, and as the Queen has obviously moved on, so have they.

Well, they had both moved on, not so sure now with H.

Also to consider of course, is what it will do to the stability of the crown. Charles us seen by many (not all, I know) as a weak man. If his 2nd wife, previously his mistress, then becomes Queen, yet another fracture in the image. I'm surprised the Queen hasn't realised this.

I don't consider that Charles is a weak man, but a sensitive man.
And I think most people will accept Camilla as Queen consort.
I think the Queen hoped, by her statement, to stabilise the subject that there has been so much conjecture about.

Charles was having an affair with Camilla when he asked for Diana’s hand in marriage. Wonder what advice would be given now to any young bride who found herself in this position. LTB? Most probably.

I have no respect for either of them.

Me neither Kalu.

I absolutely agree henetha. P.C is a sensitive man who has had, by his own admission, quite a difficult time and been in a difficult position for many more years than expected. Not the best of relationships with his parents when a youngster, a totally unsuitable school for a sensitive boy, somewhat overshadowed by his much more outgoing sister and then pushed into a marriage which he probably knew would be difficult. George V1th was rather the same, a sensitive man full of self doubt, given to quite violent temper outbursts, calmed by his wife. P.C is similar to his grandfather and equally calmed by Camilla. She certainly deserves her title, thank goodness for her. They'll make an excellent king and Queen.

Diana could have refused his proposal, no one made her accept.

No one made him ask, I'd presume.
As the older, more worldly one, you might have expected him to know better.

I think he would have been under a lot of pressure to marry a ‘suitable girl’ (i.e. without a past) and produce an heir.

Still no one has given any evidence that Charles was with Camilla when he married. It’s all based on what Diana said .

Kula can you give any evidence of the allegations?

Diana did have mental health problems before she married, unless pushing one’s step mother down stairs is something many do

Unless people lived with charles, camilla, or diana, how can they give evidence of anything?

MissAdventure

No one made him ask, I'd presume.
As the older, more worldly one, you might have expected him to know better.

Agreed.

Exactly. No one made him ask. Why wouldn't Diana accept if she had no idea what was going on? She was hoodwinked. So we are being asked not to believe a word Diana (allegedly) said but believe everything we are told about Charles and Camilla? That poor girl. What chance did she stand against that lot?

My evidence comes from the same source as you Annie, media coverage. None of us are privy to the facts.

Kate1949

Exactly. No one made him ask. Why wouldn't Diana accept if she had no idea what was going on? She was hoodwinked. So we are being asked not to believe a word Diana (allegedly) said but believe everything we are told about Charles and Camilla? That poor girl. What chance did she stand against that lot?

I think she was let down by a lot of people. Her parents early on in her life, her father and grandmother for supporting the engagement instead of stepping in and trying to put a stop to it, her older sisters for laughing off her concerns as the wedding day approached, Prince Charles for marrying her when he was in live with someone else and then treating her with no sympathy or respect.
I know she was no saint herself and also behaved badly at times. But she was a very damaged and neglected young woman. But then Charles had a difficult upbringing as well and possibly knew no better and was under massive pressure to find a suitable wife.

Kula fact - Charles was in a relationship with Diana’s sister, did she know of the alleged affair? I don’t take what the media
says,

Charles said the affair with Camilla started after the marriage had broken down,

William said the Panorama interview had ‘played on her fears
and fuelled paranoia. He also said the BBC had lied to her about the royal family.

Prince Harry Could Unveil Secrets in His Book That Will Be Devastating for His Stepmother Camilla, Former Royal Employee Says............
Since stepping down as a senior royal in 2020, Prince Harry has spoken his truth of what life behind palace walls was like for him. But the Duke of Sussex isn’t done airing out secrets about Britain’s most family. The prince is releasing a memoir in 2022 and many royals are reportedly upset over what he will reveal, but perhaps none more than Camilla Parker Bowles.

I think you're right Beswitched.

So the only fact we actually have is that charles dated Diana's sister.

I think P.C was under a lot of pressure to find a 'suitable' bride, none more so than by his grandmother the Queen Mother, it is said that both she and Diana's grandmother Lady Fermoy , a confident of the Q.M, greatly encouraged this bethrothal, this, along with other family pressure was understandably difficult to repel. Diana was not a novice in the ways of the RF, her sister dated PC and the families moved in the same social circle including each others all her life. Her father Earl Spencer was an Equery to George V1th . Unlike Catherine and Sophie Wessex, Diana , contrary to public opinion was not unfamiliar with court proceedings.

FannyCornforth

I’m really surprised at what you say Jo and Kate
I honestly didn’t think that there was still hostility toward Camilla

Actually, we don’t know either way.
Unless some of us are hiding an intimate acquaintance with either of the princes.
We know by hearsay and that hearsay is always biased to reflect the point of view of the sayer, even when it’s in a book or an article written by ‘somebody close to the . . .’